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RE: Sketch of an idea to address widget/package addressing with fragID syntax and media-type defn.

From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) <skw@hp.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:02:41 +0000
To: Marcos Caceres <marcosscaceres@gmail.com>
CC: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>, "public-pkg-uri-scheme-request@w3.org" <public-pkg-uri-scheme-request@w3.org>
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Marcos,

The TAG suggested that I re-post the idea that I floated at the beginning of this thread on the new list at public-pkg-uri-scheme@w3.org and encourage any continuation of this thread to take place there - which I have now done [1].

Also, with some irony, I think that I'm beginning to get a better understanding of your problem, the key for me being your assertion in an earlier messages:

        "I think we have different goals in respect to [3], and that might be
        causing me confusion. For instance, Widgets do not have a need to
        remotely access and reference items within a web accessible package.
        Conversely, Web apps just needs to access files within a locally
        stored package."

Your problem is centered around how to generate absolute URI from package relative URI driven primarily by a need for API compatibility rather than a need to be able to make global sharable references. I don't know whether "...do not need to..." means simply "...don't..." or even more strongly "...will never have to...". If the possibilty exists then I think that your requirements need to take that into account. OTOH if it is *never* going to happen... I'll have to scratch my head a bit more to think about how you'd come up with a base URI and what the risks were of essentially a locally scoped identifier escaping into the wild by acccident.

Stuart
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
> Sent: 02 December 2008 15:02
> To: Marcos Caceres
> Cc: www-tag@w3.org; public-webapps
> Subject: RE: Sketch of an idea to address widget/package
> addressing with fragID syntax and media-type defn.
>
>
> Hello Marcos,
>
> > > Well, I and the TAG have expressed interest in that more
> general problem[3].
> > > If you reject input on that basis you make it very hard
> for us to help you.
> > > Maybe our help is not what you want.
> > >
> >
> > No no no! I'm not rejecting any input. Honestly, I didn't mean to
> > sound like I was. I'm sorry you interpreted my comments that way.
>
> My apologies too for any misinterpretation... lets set that
> aside and continue.
>
> I'll chew some more on the rest of you message... but I have
> other things that I need to do right now.
>
> Stuart
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