- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:57:36 -0600
- To: www-tag@w3.org
apologies for lateness...
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/20-tagmem-minutes
TAG Weekly
20 Nov 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/20-agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc
Attendees
Present
skw, Ashok_Malhotra, DanC, jar, DaveO, Ht, Timbl, noah
Regrets
TimBL(part), Noah(part), Raman, Norm
Chair
Stuart Williams
Scribe
Dan Connolly
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Convene
2. [6]Issue tagSoupIntegration-54
3. [7]Issue uriBasedPackageAccess-61
4. [8]Safe Javascript and web apps security
5. [9]F2F Tue-Thu 9-11 Dec 2008 Planning
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<skw> Scribe: Dan Connolly
Convene
<jar> i'm here
PROPOSED: to accept [11]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-tagmem-minutes
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-tagmem-minutes
RESOLVED to approve version of 2008/11/14 12:40:01
27th Nov cancelled
RESOLUTION: to meet 4 Dec, Noah to scribe
Issue tagSoupIntegration-54
action-188?
<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the
URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue.
-- due 2008-11-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
[13]http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/urlp/raw-file/tip/tinker.
html
[13] http://homer.w3.org/~connolly/projects/urlp/raw-file/tip/tinker.html
(scribe is negligent at this point; needs help)
<skw> DanC demonstrates his progress on issue-188 by reference to
the above page.
<skw> Presents Javascript parsing of ABNF grammar to construct
exploded grammar(??)
<skw> Headed toward compiling to a regexp.
<skw> ht: CMSMCQ started along a similar path a year or two back
<skw> Some discussion of prgamatics - and multiple parsing of ??
<skw> danc: TAG visted HTML-WG to discuss splitting the spec.
<DanC_> [14]HTML5 Specification - List of sections and corresponding
work estimates Ian Hickson (Monday, 27 October)
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Oct/0127.html
<skw> ... Ian Hickson has offer estaimates of workload/expertise to
split the editing task.
<jar> I fear I don't have enough of a big picture view to understand
why 2.5.2 and following are so hairy. But no one would do this
voluntarily, so something must be going on.
<skw> danc: thinks that good technical writers can add alot to a
document without being subject experts.
<ht> HST notes that "Legacy extended IRIs for XML resource
identification" [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/leiri/ is relevant here
[15] http://www.w3.org/TR/leiri/
<skw> ht: Ian Hickson agreed that the LEIRI spec addresses the
promblem of spaces in URI, but not the problem of document character
encoding inparameter strings
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note james clark's
[16]http://blog.jclark.com/2008/11/what-allowed-in-uri.html
[16] http://blog.jclark.com/2008/11/what-allowed-in-uri.html
<jar> The strings "html" and "browser" do not occur in the jclark
post
<skw> You can find him at: jeremy (at) topquadrant.com
action-188?
<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the
URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue.
-- due 2008-11-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
action-188 due 31 Dec 2008
<trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter
possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 31 Dec 2008
action-188?
<trackbot> ACTION-188 -- Dan Connolly to investigate the
URL/IRI/Larry Masinter possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue.
-- due 2008-12-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/188
action-188 due 27 Nov 2008
<trackbot> ACTION-188 Investigate the URL/IRI/Larry Masinter
possible resolution of the URL/HTML5 issue. due date now 27 Nov 2008
DanC: Mike's action from the joint ftf is now done.
<skw> danc: Mike Smith as completed his HTML-WG action itemto
motivate HTML WG discussion of spec modularization.
HT: the public-html thread includes discussion of XML error handling
(mike smith's action, to wit:
[19]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/77 )
[19] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/77
<ht> Here's pointer to (near) the beginning of the error handling
thread:
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0102.htm
l
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Nov/0102.html
Issue uriBasedPackageAccess-61
<skw> partial survey:
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html
earlier discussion;
[22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/06-minutes#item05
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/11/06-minutes#item05
<DanC_> [23]ZIP-based packages and URI references into them ODF
proposal Larry Masinter (Friday, 31 October)
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Oct/0126.html
<skw> Found:
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-wam-minutes.html#item12
[24] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-wam-minutes.html#item12
<DanC_> "DanC: and the fact that it's not easily guessable
<DanC_> ... if that it's not easily guessable is a requirement
<DanC_> ... then that rules out domain names."
<DanC_> MC: we want to finish this within 3 months.
<DanC_> DanC: are there any test cases for this?
<DanC_> MC: no
<DanC_> ... we're starting an implementation now"
<scribe> ACTION: stuart to notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to
meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests
relevant to widget URIs become available [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc
<trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Notify webapps wg that TAG is
unlikely to meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when
tests relevant to widget URIs become available [on Stuart Williams -
due 2008-11-27].
Safe Javascript and web apps security
<timbl> Zaim, mute whoever is making noise
<noah> Noah joins the call.
[26]http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#requirements
[26] http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#requirements
[27]http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
[27] http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
timbl: the "access control spec" has a misnomer for a name
... I'm not sure adding domains to the model improves things
<jar> I'm totally confused on the relation between the W3C effort on
safe javascript, Crockford, and Google (Mark Miller / Caja).
DanC: thanks for getting some requirements in the access control
spec
... DaveO
[28]http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
[28] http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/#use-cases
TimBL: yes, that 1st bullet is a sentence; read a comma before
"this"
DanC: OK.
"If the contacts part of an e-mail application allows a social
networking site to add contacts, this could be done through a
cross-site PUT requests."
(timbl has told me a story about fedex and AA.com that I grokked on
some days.)
F2F Tue-Thu 9-11 Dec 2008 Planning
<timbl> Pointer to survey?
<timbl> [29]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
[29] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
SKW: we have one more pre-ftf telcon, 4 Dev
... agenda is due at T-14 days, 27 Nov
<skw> [30]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
[30] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
action-194?
<trackbot> ACTION-194 -- Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing
Web Draft Finding in response to September 2008 F2F meeting -- due
2008-11-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/194
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/194
<jar> nov 25 = 2 weeks before f2f
[32]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
[32] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
[33]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
[33] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/
[34]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
[34] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34270/F2FPriorities200812/results
<Ashok> Sorry, guys .... gotta go!
action-194 due 5 Dec 2008
hello? trackbot?
<trackbot> ACTION-194 Revise Self-Describing Web Draft Finding in
response to September 2008 F2F meeting due date now 5 Dec 2008
<timbl> The Abstract and Intro of aCaja look actually rather
interesting. "Caja represents our discovery that a subset of
JavaScript is an object-capability language"
<jar> The Caja principal (Mark S Miller) is involved in Ecmascript
standards process...
ACTION-183 due 2 Dec 2008
<trackbot> ACTION-183 Incorporate formalism into versioning
compatibility strategies due date now 2 Dec 2008
<jar> I think it would be a mistake for the web apps WG to overlook
Caja
Caja... quite... pls note that in a comment in the survey
<timbl> "Caja is an enforced subset of JavaScript we designed to
make as
<timbl> little impact as possible on regular JavaScript
programming.."
<jar> OK, thanks
ADJOURN.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: stuart to notify webapps wg that TAG is unlikely to
meet the 3 month timeframe and ask for notification when tests
relevant to widget URIs become available [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-tagmem-irc
[End of minutes]
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