Re: Question about the On Linking Alternative Representations TAG Finding

T.V Raman wrote:
> OK, you revise history, I'll watch:-)
>   
Well, I think the revision will happen once this discussion is concluded 
:-) Richard and Ted can fashion a statement of conclusion by 
reconnecting to the original public discussion threads.

Ted/Richard: Over to you.

Kingsley

> Kingsley Idehen writes:
>  > T.V Raman wrote:
>  > > No question that we need to carefully distinguish identity from
>  > > representation. My only point was that the resource vs
>  > > representation vocabulary clash may now be too late to fix,
>  > > partly because both start with 'R', which appears as the middle
>  > > letter of the popular acronym  
>  > > that is written URIand often confused with URL (use right font/
>  > > put on appropriate glasses to equate the twaine which is what the
>  > > Web has done;-)
>  > > I actually like David Booth's use of the term "variance" in this
>  > > context, and if I could rewrite history, I might have perhaps
>  > > chosen the term "variance" instead of "representation".
>  > >   
>  > You can revise history :-)
>  > 
>  > Kingley
>  > 
>  > > Kingsley Idehen writes:
>  > >  > T.V Raman wrote:
>  > >  > > but we already live in a muddled Web, where this distinction has
>  > >  > > been all but erased by the various bizarre uses seen on the
>  > >  > > Web. I personally dont see any value on insisting on the
>  > >  > > difference any more.
>  > >  > >   
>  > >  > Raman,
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > We are absolutely dead in the water if we cannot distinguish identity 
>  > >  > from representation via URIs -)
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Web User can't, and/or will not make, the distinction, but they aren't 
>  > >  > the architects of the Web.
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > We have to fashion architecture dexterous enough  for unobtrusive tweaks 
>  > >  > that bubble up to the Web User space.
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Linked Data's use of derferencable URIs is a good example of an 
>  > >  > unobtrusive tweak that provides a substrate for Web enhancement without 
>  > >  > changing Web User behavior i.e., Users continue to use the Web in 
>  > >  > bizarre ways without adversely affecting it's essence (a mesh of 
>  > >  > interlnked data that extends beyond information resource containers).
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Kingsley
>  > >  > > Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) writes:
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > > From: T.V Raman [mailto:raman@google.com]
>  > >  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  > > I think splitting hairs between resource
>  > >  > >  > > and representation only works "so far".
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > The distinction between "representation" and "resource" is not splitting hairs, it is fundamental: they are different *roles* in the architecture.  Since anything can be a resource, a particular representation (returned in respnose to a particular request at a particular time) *could* also be considered a resource, but that just means that that particular representation can play both roles.  It does not mean that the distinction between the representation and resource is unimportant.
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > A representation is what you get *from* a resource -- in particular an information resource -- when you ask for one (such as by HTTP GET).
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > I think it's important be careful in the use of these terms, because using them incorrectly tends to cause muddled discussion and confusion.
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > David Booth, Ph.D.
>  > >  > >  > HP Software
>  > >  > >  > +1 617 629 8881 office  |  dbooth@hp.com
>  > >  > >  > http://www.hp.com/go/software
>  > >  > >  > 
>  > >  > >  > Statements made herein represent the views of the author and do not necessarily represent the official views of HP unless explicitly so stated.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >   
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > -- 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Regards,
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>  > >  > President & CEO 
>  > >  > OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >
>  > >   
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>  > 
>  > -- 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Regards,
>  > 
>  > Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>  > President & CEO 
>  > OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
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Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	      Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com