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RE: minutes TAG 9 July for review: XMLVersioning-41, httpRange-14, WAF-WG review request

From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) <skw@hp.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:19:11 +0100
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To: "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>, "www-tag" <www-tag@w3.org>

I think that we decided to withdraw an action on Henry [1]:
	
	"Henry to extend his paper to a definition of monotonicity and
its relevance to our versioning finding."

record of which seems to be missing.

BTW: That's not to say to "Henry don't to that", only to say that the
TAG is not waiting for it to be done.

Does anyone recall different?

Stuart
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org] 
> On Behalf Of Dan Connolly
> Sent: 10 July 2007 17:52
> To: www-tag
> Subject: minutes TAG 9 July for review: XMLVersioning-41, 
> httpRange-14, WAF-WG review request
> 
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes
> 2007/07/10 16:45:28
> 
> 
>                               TAG Weekly
> 
> 9 Jul 2007
> 
>    See also: [2]Agenda, [3]IRC log
> 
>       [2] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jun/0146.html
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/07/09-tagmem-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           Stuart, DanC, Rhys, Raman, Ht, DOrchard, Norm
> 
>    Regrets
>           Noah, TimBL
> 
>    Chair
>           Stuart
> 
>    Scribe
>           DanC
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]Convene, review records and agenda, plan next meeting
>          2. [6]Issue XMLVersioning-41
>          3. [7]Issue httpRange-14
>          4. [8]On "Enabling Read Access for Web Resources"
>          5. [9](Post) Summer 'Recess'
>      * [10]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> Convene, review records and agenda, plan next meeting
> 
>    Minutes: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes
> 
>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes
> 
>    PROPOSED: to meet again 16 July, Raman to scribe
> 
>    raman: OK
> 
>    RESOLUTION: to meet again 16 July, Raman to scribe
> 
>    for next week: regrets: David, Rhys, Henry
> 
>    SKW: I may cancel if we're thin on agenda
> 
>    PROPOSED: to accept
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/02-minutes as a true record
> 
>      [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/02-minutes
> 
>    RESOLUTION: to accept
>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/02-minutes as a true record
> 
>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/02-minutes
> 
> Issue XMLVersioning-41
> 
>    SKW: withdraw 2 and continue 3 actions?
> 
>    <DanC_> [14]DaveO RE: versioning definitions...
> 
>      [14] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0003.html
> 
>    discussing ACTION: DC accepted on 8 Aug 2006 Review definitions of
>    partial understanding, backward compatible, and forward compatible.
> 
>    DanC made progress 21 May
>    [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0040.html
> 
>      [15] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007May/0040.html
> 
>    DO: I answered that...
> 
>    <Stuart> " Indeed. All 3 reviewers have asked this key 
> question. How
>    about "I1 is
> 
>    <Stuart> compatible with I2 if all of the information in 
> I1 does not
>    replace or
> 
>    <Stuart> contradict any information in I2."
> 
>    DanC: sounds like "consistent"
>    ... I'll have to think about it.
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: DC Review definitions of partial understanding,
>    backward compatible, and forward compatible. [CONTINUES] [recorded
>    in
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action01]
> 
>    DaveO: ... now text-set has a [different relationship] to syntax...
>    ... I changed the diagram.
> 
>    DaveO reviews changes... faster than the scribe can summarize
> 
>    DaveO: the reviewers seemed to catch many of the same things
> 
>    <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to ask about diagram source
> 
>    DaveO: yes, I checked in .violet v6
>    ... note violet has been updated; it's an eclipse plug-in. quite
>    convenient since I use eclipse for W3C spec editing
> 
>    <dorchard> I just checked in the .violet v6..
> 
>    SKW: [something from a recent review message...]
> 
>    ball seems to be with NDW on XML strategies
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: SKW complete review of terminology section of of 4
>    July versioning draft [recorded in
>    [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action02]
> 
>    <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - SKW
> 
>    DaveO: I addressed a bunch of "add a link here" editorial comments
>    on the strategies stuff...
> 
>    <DanC_> [18]section 2.2.2 Forwards Compatible
> 
>      [18] 
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070704.
> html#forwardsCompatible
> 
>    DaveO: section 6, case studies, is now one table.
>    
> ([19]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070704.h
>    tml#iddiv194353056 )
>    ... there's a new strategy 2.5 "some go in a new namespace, some go
>    in an existing namespace"
>    ... to capture the pattern where [something about ##any 
> and ##other]
>    ... I also mentioned XSLT [i.e. its versioning policy?]
> 
>      [19] 
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-strategies-20070704.
> html#iddiv194353056
> 
>    <dorchard> XSLT documents versioning, not versioning XSLT itself
>    from XSLT 2.0 to >2.0.
> 
>    SKW: a process question... should we aim for last call on this
>    material?
> 
>    DanC: umm... sounds good... last call after review of peer groups
>    such as HTML
> 
>    DaveO: yeah, HTML, XML Schema, XML Core
> 
>    raman: and CSS, and XHTML 2
> 
>    DanC: yes, I'd like to think more about the CSS versioning strategy
> 
>    NDW: yes, I'm working on reviewing "strategies" and the XML part
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: NW Produce some information about NVDL for the
>    finding. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action03]
> 
>    NDW: by 23 July
>    ... maybe some for the 16 July meeting
> 
>    (trackbot groks due dates, but the scribe doesn't know how 
> to get it
>    to do it)
> 
> Issue httpRange-14
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Stuart to review "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>    [DONE] [recorded in
>    [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action04]
> 
>    <DanC_> [22]SKW on "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
> 
>      [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jun/0075
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Norm to review "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>    [WITHDRAWN] [recorded in
>    [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action05]
> 
>    DanC: SKW, any impact from your review on our httpRange-14 finding?
> 
>    SKW: not really; there's stuff they suggest [in "Cool URIs for the
>    Semantic Web"] as best practice that goes beyond what the TAG
>    decided.
>    ... OK, Dan, on to your formal description of webarch slides...
> 
>    <Stuart> [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/slides 2003/11/24
> 
>      [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/fdesc54/slides
> 
>    (scribe is hardly even trying to capture the discussion as he leads
>    it)
> 
>    DanC: HT's msg on terminology covers some of the same ground; it's
>    just a few minutes/hours old...
> 
>    <DanC_> [25]HT on terminology
> 
>      [25] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0021.html
> 
>    HT: in the case of the Oxaca weather report and [some common fairy
>    tale scribe already forgot], the french and english have 
> roughly the
>    same relationship to the resource; not so for french and english
>    versions of Moby Dick
> 
>    DanC: is the question of whether the translation is authorized
>    relevant?
> 
>    HT: not really
> 
>    SKW: ... generic resources finding relevant... ?
> 
>    HT: only trivially. [?]
>    ... english version of The Wasteland, by T. S. Eliot has special
>    status. e.g. conneg...
> 
>    <Zakim> dorchard, you wanted to mention that translations sometimes
>    don't hold is in GEB as well, the example being russian book (can't
>    remember which author) translation should perhaps be
> 
>    DanC: this is _exactly_ the authorized translation question. In
>    conneg, the publisher is making claims. if the publisher 
> says, using
>    conneg, "these are equivalent for my purposes", then they're
>    equivalent for his/her purposes
> 
>    DaveO: [scribe was totally behind and let himself get distracted]
> 
>    <dorchard> translations sometimes don't hold is in GEB as well, the
>    example being russian book (can't remember which author) 
> translation
>    should perhaps be Dickens
> 
>    HST: The somewhat surprising tentative conclusion is that you can't
>    be a responsible Webmaster until you've taken a position on the
>    issue of "The nature of The Work of Art"
> 
>    DanC walks through Frag Identifier Diagram
> 
>    HST explains indexicals: "I'm right and you're wrong!"... 
> a phase we
>    can both locally agree because it means different things to both of
>    us.
> 
>    SKW: Dan, in your investigation, where does 303 come in?
> 
>    DanC: it's sort of a noop, as far as knowledge exchange, in my
>    thinking. Tim's idea that it constrains things is new to me; I'm
>    still thinking about it
> 
>    SKW: and Rhys, does this help with httpRange-14?
> 
>    Rhys: I'm learning a lot about backgrounds that readers bring
> 
>    SKW: is httpRange-14 a comfortable place for this discussion?
> 
>    Raman: no, it's opaque
> 
>    DanC: oops; you're right
> 
>    Raman: webarch2?
> 
>    SKW: terminology for webarch2?
> 
>    DanC: that doesn't narrow it down; does that help? hmm... 
> yes, let's
>    noodle on this a bit
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: RL to revise Dereferencing HTTP URIs finding in
>    response to F2F discussion. [CONTINUES] [recorded in
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action06]
> 
> On "Enabling Read Access for Web Resources"
> 
>    SKW: I did one half of my action, contacting the chairs
>    ... that's going well...
> 
>    <DanC_> [27]SKW to POWDER/WAF chairs
> 
>      [27] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Jul/0008.html
> 
>    SKW: on technical comments, I wrote up the 2 we discussed and added
>    several more based on reading and discussion; are those others
>    better as TAG comments or as my own?
> 
>    <Stuart>
>    [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2007Jul/0015.html
> 
>      [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2007Jul/0015.html
> 
>    DanC: tactically, separate messages for separate subjects
>    ... I don't know enough to endorse #6
> 
>    DO: likewise; can't say yes nor no
> 
>    SKW: OK, I'll send the ones we discussed (1 and 2) as from the TAG
>    and the others personally
> 
> (Post) Summer 'Recess'
> 
>    SKW: perhaps we did this last week, but just to be sure:
> 
>    RESOLUTION: to cancel 23rd, 30th July and 6th Aug
> 
>    SKW: if we're to meet 13 Aug, I need help with agenda prep; I'll
>    just be returning from holiday.
> 
>    a few others will be in a similar position
> 
>    NDW: OK, I'll prepare an agenda (or cancellation notice) for 13 Aug
> 
>    ADJOURN.
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: SKW complete review of terminology section of of 4
>    July versioning draft [recorded in
>    [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action02]
> 
>    [PENDING] ACTION: DC Review definitions of partial understanding,
>    backward compatible, and forward compatible. [recorded in
>    [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action01]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: NW Produce some information about NVDL for the
>    finding. [recorded in
>    [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action03]
>    [PENDING] ACTION: RL to revise Dereferencing HTTP URIs finding in
>    response to F2F discussion. [recorded in
>    [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action06]
> 
>    [DONE] ACTION: Stuart to review "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>    [recorded in
>    [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action04]
> 
>    [DROPPED] ACTION: Norm to review "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>    [recorded in
>    [34]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/09-tagmem-minutes#action05]
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
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