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Re: Review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"

From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@dfki.de>
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:50:59 +0200
Message-ID: <46D6AF23.2000002@dfki.de>
To: "Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)" <skw@hp.com>
CC: Richard Cyganiak <richard@cyganiak.de>, Susie Stephens <susie.stephens@gmail.com>, www-tag@w3.org
It was Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) who said at the right time 
30.08.2007 13:27 the following words:
> Hello Leo,
>  
> Just to be clear... I have not read the new version - but will aim to 
> do so at least as a personal exercise.
>  
> I'd caution you against making assuming anything about what the TAG is 
> ok with - it sort of depends if you would be making any claims are 
> made regarding the TAGs disposition toward the document.
>  
> AFAIK any WG/IG can publish anything the W3C process allows them to 
> publish.
>  
> If SWEO want to wait on the TAG (rather than just me) expressing an 
> opinion it may take us a while to respond in full.
>  
> That said, your request [1] is an item on our meeting agenda for today.
as the topic is often discussed with intense arguments, and it is an 
ongoing discussion, It would be good, both for SWEO and the TAG, to be 
able to say: this document does not contradict the http-range-14 
decision and reflects the view of the tag on HTTP uris, you can use it 
as an educational material...

kindest regards
Leo

>  
> Stuart
> --
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Aug/0097
>  
>
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>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Leo Sauermann [mailto:leo.sauermann@dfki.de]
>     *Sent:* 30 August 2007 11:38
>     *To:* Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol); Richard Cyganiak;
>     'Susie Stephens'; www-tag@w3.org
>     *Subject:* Re: Review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>
>     Hi Stuart,
>
>     just a short note:
>     based on the fact that we have realized most of your comments, and
>     you reading this discussion,
>     I guess you are OK with the current version of the document and
>     therefore we can assume that the TAG is ok with the SWEO interest
>     group publishing it as a W3C Interest Group Note.
>
>     ?
>
>     best
>     Leo
>
>     It was Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) who said at the right
>     time 29.08.2007 11:26 the following words:
>>     Hello David, Leo,
>>
>>
>>       
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Booth, David (HP Software - Boston) 
>>>     Sent: 28 August 2007 19:53
>>>     To: www-tag@w3.org; Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol)
>>>     Cc: Leo Sauermann
>>>     Subject: RE: Review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
>>>
>>>     I missed Stuart's review of this "Cool URIs" document 
>>>     http://www.dfki.uni-kl.de/~sauermann/2006/11/cooluris/
>>>     when I was away on vacation, but recently saw reference to it 
>>>     and wanted to comment on one statement.
>>>
>>>         
>>>>     From: Williams, Stuart (HP Labs, Bristol) [ . . . ] wrt "Be on the 
>>>>     web": "Given only a URI, machines and people should be able to 
>>>>     retrieve a description about this URI from the web. ..."  This is a 
>>>>     little too loose, in that the description is not about the URI but 
>>>>     about the resource to which the URI refers.
>>>>     [ . . . ]
>>>>           
>>>     While I assume that the above statement reflects the TAG's 
>>>     accepted thinking on this topic to date, I think it is 
>>>     actually somewhat incorrect, and the original phrasing by the 
>>>     Cool URIs authors was actually better.
>>>         
>>
>>     Actually I stand by the comment that I made, though I think David is
>>     reading more into the intent of the comment than was intended.
>>
>>     The original text spoke of description of a URI. Taken literally, there
>>     is very little of interest to describe of a URI: one might say to what
>>     scheme it belongs; one might parse out the authority, path, query and
>>     fragment components; one might be interested in how long it is. There is
>>     little more to say of the URI itself. However, I don't think it was the
>>     authors intent to encourage such descriptions. I believe it more the
>>     case that the authors intended that the thing to be described is the
>>     resource to which the URI is intended to be used to refer. That at least
>>     is the spirit in which the comment was made.
>>
>>     On the subject of your concept of "URI declarations" I have not thought
>>     long and hard enough to comment in substance. That a given description
>>     is obtained directly or indirectly (via redirection) from a retrieval
>>     initiated using a given URI might afford that description some special
>>     status in the 'eye' of an agent processing it. However, I think that
>>     there are provenance and trust issues wrt to any description obtained
>>     that affect would in general affect an agents disposition to believe a
>>     given description. Some skeptisim on the part of the agent is probably
>>     required regardless of source, if it is to be robust in an open world.
>>
>>     <snip/>
>>
>>       
>>>     David Booth, Ph.D.
>>>     HP Software
>>>     +1 617 629 8881 office  |  dbooth@hp.com
>>>     http://www.hp.com/go/software
>>>
>>>     Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not 
>>>     represent the official views of HP unless explicitly stated otherwise.
>>>         
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Stuart
>>     --
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>>     RG12 1HN
>>     Registered No: 690597 England
>>
>>       
>
>
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Geschaeftsfuehrung:
Prof.Dr.Dr.h.c.mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender)
Dr. Walter Olthoff
Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats:
Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
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