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RE: Grinding to a halt on Issue 27.

From: David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:11:01 -0700
To: "'Tim Bray'" <tbray@textuality.com>, "'Roy T. Fielding'" <fielding@apache.org>
Cc: "'WWW-Tag'" <www-tag@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001101c30e8b$74ed5620$ff2a000a@beasys.com>

Aren't you guys just arguing about two different definitions of "maximum
effectiveness"?

Tim, you assert that localization is part of max effectiveness.  If the
maximimum effectiveness=maximum # of localization aware people.  But I think
the typing in of <the-name-of-the-store-on-the-corner> is the rub.

Roy I think argues that maximum effectiveness is using non localization,
which appeals to a more international crowd - compared to using
localization.

Certainly I have no idea how I would type in non-ascii characters, so I can
offer at least 1 data point that supports the assertion that localization
limits effectiveness outside the locale.

Seems to me it is in the URI designers choice.  If they want widest possible
global appeal, they use ascii.  If they want the widest possible local
appeal, they use localization.  This is the ever present lowest(worst?)
common denominator situation.

Cheers,
Dave



> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-tag-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of
> Tim Bray
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: Roy T. Fielding
> Cc: WWW-Tag
> Subject: Re: Grinding to a halt on Issue 27.
>
>
>
> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
> > I'll take issue with that.  Using localized characters in a
> namespace name
> > is an incredibly stupid idea that will result in systems
> that do not work
> > as well as those that stick to ascii URI.  It is a
> trade-off that the
> > technology should allow in the hope that some day
> conditions will improve,
> > but anyone who treats that decision as a no-brainer will be
> doomed to
> > regret it as soon as their namespace becomes interesting
> outside their
> > own locality.
>
> I disagree entirely.  I think that people choose names for maximum
> effectiveness, and their metrics may well include appeal to a local
> audience, if I have a web site for a nice local bookshop in Warsaw or
> Athens or Baghdad or Katmandu on which I advertise specials
> and opening
> hours and so on, the natural URI for it probably includes several
> non-ASCII characters that are easy to type and read for any potential
> customer, and it really sucks that this currently isn't
> possible.  The
> ability to type in
> "www.<the-name-of-the-store-on-the-corner.com>" and
> have it frequently work is one of the really nice things
> about the Web.
>
> --
> Cheers, Tim Bray
>          (ongoing fragmented essay: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/)
>
>
>
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