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RE: SVG's future

From: Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:13:12 +0000
To: Domenico Strazzullo <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com>
CC: Sebastian Zartner <sebastianzartner@gmail.com>, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Doug Schepers <standards@schepers.cc>, "Nikos Andronikos" <nikos.andronikos@gmail.com>, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com>, "Dr. Olaf Hoffmann" <Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de>, www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>, "Francis Hemsher" <fhemsher@gmail.com>
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Domenico, your response tells me that I didn’t get my point across, maybe due to brevity.
Being respectful to whomever you communicate with, even if you disagree with his / her opinion is a must in the collaborative environment we find ourselves in. One doesn’t have to do anything to _earn_ respect, it is expected that everyone is respectful to everyone else, regardless of status, or position, or even level of competence on a particular subject. People may have their own [sometimes misguided] opinions, or may join the list to learn things and ask silly questions – that doesn’t disqualify them from being treated with respect.
Being _disrespectful_ to someone is what may cause one to LOSE respect of the group.

Cheers,
Vlad

P.S. BTW, I am (and have been) in full agreement with the first point Sebastian made that “people in this thread should stop insulting each other”


From: Domenico Strazzullo [mailto:strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:32 AM
To: Levantovsky, Vladimir
Cc: Sebastian Zartner; Tab Atkins Jr.; Doug Schepers; Nikos Andronikos; グルチヤンラミン; Dr. Olaf Hoffmann; www-svg; Francis Hemsher
Subject: Re: SVG's future

Then you can GIVE respect to whomever you like.


Now we have a new issue of dogmatic vocabulary. Given, earned, due, expected, demand, show, demonstrate, manifestation of, etc.


As long as you remain free to feel it or not, to show it or not, it’s OK.


A note on “due”: it’s an inherited concept, by which ordinary subjects of the population, in accordance with their inferior rank, owed respect to the noble, the gentry, and in general anyone from the leading class, including the military with grades. Respect was then GIVEN; not in the concrete sense, it was an acquired status, and in the case of nobility it was innate. In some cases it could also be earned, as a permanent right, through exceptional actions or contributions. It could also be bought by financial means through social ascension (same as now and always actually).


The inferior subject had often the obligation of demonstration, by bowing for example, or by other verbal or corporeal manifestations of deference. If the subject didn’t, it was not a serious offence, but he or she could be compelled to. In case of refusal the person could face serious trouble, and even death. At the opposite end a person, particularly one implicated with social ascension, could offer repeated manifestations of respect and adulation, intended to please the notable receiver, who in turn might show his or her magnanimity by granting favors or support.


But times have changed (and sometimes they go backward). Our ancestors everywhere often gave their blood to conquer freedom and the right to equality, for us. Now we take it for granted, and by that we help restore oligarchy and privileges of upper classes. It’s interesting to see so many people now fighting fiercely to reclaim the “due” respect for authorities and notable persons, attempting a social ban for those who do not comply.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:31 AM, Levantovsky, Vladimir <Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com<mailto:Vladimir.Levantovsky@monotype.com>> wrote:
Someone I know and love once wrote "Respect is GIVEN, not EARNED!"
And guess what - she is right!

Cheers,
Vlad


On Monday, February 13, 2017 9:24 AM Sebastian Zartner wrote:

On 13 February 2017 at 11:47, Domenico Strazzullo <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com<mailto:strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Please let's earn some respect for one another! Different opinions and
> valid arguments can be expressed in an objective way, as well as in a
> subjective way, let’s leave it to the free will.

What I meant is that people in this thread should stop insulting each other. I agree, respect needs to be earned, but insults rather reach the opposite.

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Sebastian

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