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Issue with SVG Compositing Specification (re: the "plus" mode)

From: Pat Brown <PBrown@nvidia.com>
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 07:10:25 -0700
To: "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>, Pat Brown <PBrown@nvidia.com>, "anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au" <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
CC: Pat Brown <PBrown@nvidia.com>
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www-svg list,

I was recently looking at the SVG Compositing Specification draft dated March 15, 2011 at:


and found what appears to be a bug in the math for the "plus" compositing operator.  It is documented as follows:
The source is added to the destination and replaces the destination. This operator is useful for animating a dissolve between two images.
f(Sc,Dc) = Sc + Dc
X        = 1
Y        = 1
Z        = 1

Dca' = Sca  Da + Dca  Sa + Sca  (1 - Da) + Dca  (1 - Sa)
     = Sca + Dca
Da'  = Sa  Da + Da  Sa + Sa  (1 - Da) + Da  (1 - Sa)
     = Sa + Da

The Dca' and Da' result values are consistent with what one would expect from the Porter-Duff "plus" operator, where my understanding is that the most common usage would be to fade from one image to the other

  weight * image1 + (1-weight) * image2
However, the Da' value derived above is NOT consistent with the documented f/X/Y/Z parameterization.  The general math for deriving Dca' and Da' is:

The operation used to place objects onto the background is as follows:

    Dca' = f(Sc, Dc)  Sa  Da  + Y  Sca  (1-Da)  + Z  Dca  (1-Sa)

    Da'  =         X  Sa  Da  + Y  Sa  (1-Da)   + Z  Da  (1-Sa)

The math for Da' in the "plus" documentation above contains an extra "Da x Sa" term not called for by the general math.  Without this extra term, the Da' is the same as in all the other modes with X/Y/Z set to 1/1/1, namely:

  Da' = Sa * Da + Sa * (1-Da) + Da * (1-Sa)

The desired results for Da' can be accounted for by setting X to 2.  However, having non-0/1 values for these coefficients is sort of strange.

I had passed this feedback along to Anthony, who requested that I forward it to the list.  My expectation is that implementers of the standard are most likely to perform compositing using the reduced forms of the equation rather than the f/X/Y/Z parameterization.  To the extent that this expectation is correct, this could simply be viewed as a spec inconsistency needing resolution, with little practical implication on users of the standard.

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