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Re: SVG-as-an-image and scaling the SVG by default

From: Daniel Holbert <dholbert@mozilla.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:56:27 -0800
Message-ID: <4D562F1B.1050001@mozilla.com>
To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
CC: Patrick Dengler <patd@microsoft.com>, "robert@ocallahan.org" <robert@ocallahan.org>, Tony Schreiner <tonyschr@microsoft.com>, Jonathan Watt <jwatt@jwatt.org>
Just to provide some insight into the decision on the Mozilla end -- 
we'd been going back and forth a bit too, but what finally convinced us 
(or at least me) that it'd be best to do something Opera-like was a 
combination of the following:

  (a) By default, authoring tools (at least Inkscape) produce SVG images 
with no viewBox (but with non-percent height & width, strongly implying 
an intended viewBox).  So "viewBox missing [but easily inferrable]" will 
likely be the default state for many SVG images used on the web.

  (b) Authors will likely assume that these images will auto-scale, 
based on their experience with raster images, and based on the fact that 
the images *do* auto-scale in other browsers (all but Firefox 4 beta, up 
until this past week).[1]

  (c) Existing content on the web (including an IE HTML5 demo page[2], 
up until it was changed a day or two ago) *already* depends on SVG 
images being auto-scaled, based on the aforementioned author assumptions 
& the precedent that's been set by earlier implementations.

  (d) There's already an issue[3] on file about possibly addressing this 
in the spec.

So - as Rob said, Mozilla has now changed to roughly match the Opera 
behavior.  The new behavior is in our nightly builds & will be in the 
next Firefox 4 beta (b12, to be released in a week or two).

I agree we should discuss this at the F2F -- thanks for putting that on 
the agenda, Patrick.


[1] To back up this assertion about author expectations - I've received 
emails from multiple SVG content authors about this (formerly) being 
"broken" in Firefox.
[2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630404#c1
[3] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2258
Received on Saturday, 12 February 2011 06:57:30 UTC

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