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Minutes, 14 Sept 2010 SVG WG telcon

From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 23:30:13 +0200
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To: www-svg@w3.org
Hello www-svg,

 Minutes of todays call
http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html

and below as text

                   SVG Working Group Teleconference

14 Sep 2010

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Shepazu, ed, +39.537.7.aaaa, tbah, ChrisL, anthony_wrk

   Regrets
   Chair
          SV_MEETING_CHAIR

   Scribe
          chris

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Last Call Comments
         2. [6]Test suite overview
         3. [7]SVG Integration
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2010

   <scribe> scribe: chris

   <scribe> scribenick: chrisl

Last Call Comments

   ISSUE-2340?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-2340 -- Last Call Comment: view and animation
   values lists - where can I find the promised note? -- open

   <trackbot> [9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340

      [9] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2340

   ACTION-2817

   ACTION-2817?

   <trackbot> ACTION-2817 -- Chris Lilley to add the promised note
   relating to ISSUE-2340 -- due 2010-07-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817

     [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2817

   test at
   [11]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.
   svg

     [11] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-frag-01-f.svg

   (chrisl corrects a typo in the test, recommits)

   The test checks that an escaped semicolon works the same as an
   unescaped one

   ED: need to debug, think we should pass this. Several values
   accepted

   CL: Transform should show a quarter circle

   my email
   [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html

     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Sep/0086.html

   ED (checks in debugger)

   DS; What about wrapping in quotes?

   CL: List is split by semicolons first. Not clear quotes are allowed
   anyway

   ED: Looked at issue-2335, bias

   issue-2335?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-2335 -- Last Call Comment: Clarify feConvolveMatrix
   bias property -- raised

   <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335

     [13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2335

   ED: Feedback from Vincent and jasper, agreement on proposed option
   number 2
   ... just need to test this and come up with wording
   ... does change how the spec defines it, and currently Opera,
   Firefox and ASV agree on bias. But its unused and not useful at
   present.

   <scribe> ... new wording is better

   UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: maybe get Inkscape and Opera to pass on the new
   wording
   ... checked in tests that Jasper made, colours are different

   CL: Inkscape is not using linearRGB

   ED: Jasper made tests with sRGB as well

   AG: Is option 1 what ASV does?

   CL: Yes

   <ed> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368

     [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2368

   ED: Cyril raised an issue on number parsing

   ACTION-2843?

   <trackbot> ACTION-2843 -- Cyril Concolato to propose new wording for
   the spec for ISSUE-2368 -- due 2010-09-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843

     [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2843

   (wre link the action to the issue)

   ED: Will try to close as many as I can. Others sjould get on and do
   theirs

Test suite overview

   <ed>
   [16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
   us.html

     [16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html

   ED: Updated the status generator

   tbah: what is 'uses red'?

   ChrisL: some can't be changed, like the ones on color syntax

   DS: Prefer to avoid red in passing tests where possible

   ED: Can toggle off the accepted ones so only the ones that need work
   are seen
   ... move ones as imageOwner and Reviewed to accepted
   ... only 14 tests

   <ed>
   [17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.
   svg

     [17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-85-t.svg

   description is not done yet

   ED: text in operator script could be moved around easily

   <ed> Run the test. No interaction required.

   <ed>
   [18]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.
   svg

     [18] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/animate-elem-90-b.svg

   also acceptged

   <ed>
   [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-0
   2-f.svg

     [19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-displace-02-f.svg

   <ed>
   [20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-0
   5-f.svg

     [20] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-control-05-f.svg

   AG: Opera and Chrome both fail some subtests on that one

   also shapes-01-f.svg

   ED: Might require an erratum for 1.2T
   ... and update to 1.2T test suite as well

   AG: Does 1.1 say what to do with broken pont lists?

   ED: Was clear, then changed in 1.2T not sure why

   AG: How different is it?
   ... Will raise the issue now

   ED: and need to fix the 1.2T tests

   struct-use-10-f.svg

   ED: test description lissing, will shunt it around

   AG: shapes-01-f.svg is missing the subsection name

   ED: Yes but applies to two subsections

   CL: Just link it to the two sections
   ... or rename to one and say in the dezxcription it tests both
   sections

   struct-use-12-f.svg spelled 'reviewed' incorrectly :)

   ED: Script checks for fully red in the reference image

   text-align-07-t.svg

   CL: Should be an issue because of dominant baseline
   ... I propose that very old tests which have been out for years, a
   decade even, be marked with SVGWG as reviewer and accepted

   ED: OK

   <scribe> ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no
   status that have been published already [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2870 - Bulk review the old SVGWG tests
   with no status that have been published already [on Chris Lilley -
   due 2010-09-21].

   AG: Dominant baselines is inconsistent i browsers because it is not
   clear from the spec how to get it. No viewer gets it right

   CL: Question is, is the test implementable or is there an issue/
   Where do you get the dominant baseline of a random Unicode
   character?

   AG: Abbra is almost right
   ... ASV not entirely right

   tbah: Sanscrit is supposed to be on hanging baseline?

   AG: Yes
   ... Adobe shid=ft in right direction but not by the right amount.
   Overshoot for small text sizes

   [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties

     [22] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/text.html#AlignmentProperties

   AG: You pull this out of the font

   CL: SVG fonts don't have that info.

   tbah: Don't think you can get this from Pango.

   ED: Does this require getting baseline info? Not available on all
   platforms

   CL: Better to have defined fallback, for SVG 2

   <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline
   [recorded in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2871 - Investigate how to get dominant
   baseline [on Anthony Grasso - due 2010-09-21].

   <scribe> Agenda:
   [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/012
   2.html

     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JulSep/0122.html

   ED: What is the freeze date for CR report?

   CL: without a freeze we won't have any implementation reports

   Resolved: test freeze at end of September 2010 for 1.1SE CR report

   <scribe> ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before
   the freeze [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2872 - Check tests that need to be
   reviewed before the freeze [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-09-21].

SVG Integration

   ED: Are we trying to get it published so HTML5 is OK for HTML5 last
   call

   AG: I have new generated tables, committed them (checks)
   ... yes they are checked in. elements table complete
   ... attr table needs more work

   ED: Can we get HTML5 to reference this spec?

   DS: Yes, people are interested in integration issues especially
   implementors
   ... Jeff Schiller pointed out some issues with iframe/image/object
   recently
   ... will get this ready in next week or two

   ED: need to move on this before its too late

   CL: HTML WG discussed their schedule at HTCG

   DS: Several open actions on Integration
   ... Updated params spec and script implementation, will commit soon

   ED: Next FX tf next week? Is that too soon?

   adjourned

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to investigate how to get dominant baseline
   [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: chris to bulk review the old SVGWG tests with no
   status that have been published already [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Erik to check tests that need to be reviewed before
   the freeze [recorded in
   [28]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-svg-minutes.html#action03]

   [End of minutes]


-- 
 Chris Lilley   Technical Director, Interaction Domain                 
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
 Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
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