- From: Jonathan Watt <jwatt@jwatt.org>
- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:28:01 +0100
- To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
Hi www-svg,
The minutes for the Mon 26 April SVG Working Group telcon can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html
or below as text.
-Jonathan
SVG Working Group Teleconference
26 Apr 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0038.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed, anthony, ChrisL, JWatt, [Microsoft]
Regrets
shepazu
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Jonathan Watt
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Approving tests for SVG 1.1 2nd Edition
2. [6]Finishing 1.1 actions
3. [7]ISSUE-2321 filter margins
4. [8]path implementation details
5. [9]public-fx telcon times
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 26 April 2010
<scribe> scribe: Jonathan Watt
<scribe> scribenick: jwatt
<ChrisL> Agenda:
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/003
8.html
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0038.html
Approving tests for SVG 1.1 2nd Edition
<ed> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_1.1F2
[12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Test_Suite_1.1F2
ED: the difference between "reviewed" and "accepted" is that I
thought we should agree on the reviewed ones here
<ChrisL> I got to styling-css-09-f.svg and then hit a problem
ED: agree to accept them
<scribe> ACTION: ED to mark reviewed tests as accepted [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2770 - Mark reviewed tests as accepted [on
Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
CL: I've not been checking tests in Batik
ED: please help with reviewing the remaining tests
... just grab some
<ChrisL>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/004
0.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010AprJun/0040.html
CL: the pass criteria is that you don't see red
... but in Firefox you get a flash of red
... while the content is waiting for restyling
... so if it's okay with everyone I'll add the word "go" to the page
to make it clear when it's ready
(general agreement)
<ChrisL> styling-css-08-f.svg
<ed>
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-css-08-f.s
vg
[15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-css-08-f.svg
<ChrisL> struct-svg-01-f.svg
<ChrisL> styling-pres-02-f.svg
<ChrisL> uses getPresentationAttribute. Can't see a way around it
though
CL: I think he has a point regarding styling-pres-02-f.svg , but
there's no other obvious way to do that test
... but I agree we should for now drop it, or mark it not approved
<ChrisL>
[16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-02-f.
svg
[16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-02-f.svg
ED: I can have a look at an alternative way to test it if you like
CL: that would be good, I think it's a useful test
<scribe> ACTION: Eric to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use
getPresentationAttribute [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Eric
<scribe> ACTION: ED to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use
getPresentationAttribute [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2771 - Rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to
not use getPresentationAttribute [on Erik Dahlström - due
2010-05-03].
ED: it should be possible to get the string values in some way
<ChrisL> styling-pres-01-t.svg
CL: I'm not sure this is a very good test
... I'd suggest removing it
ED: fine with me
<scribe> ACTION: CL to remove styling-pres-01-t.svg [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2772 - Remove styling-pres-01-t.svg [on
Chris Lilley - due 2010-05-03].
<ChrisL>
[20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.
svg
[20] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.svg
CL: the issue is that 1.1 required the UA to halt, but we weren't
really considering script setting invalid value and things at that
time
... and we've relaxed things since then
... and I don't think it guides implementers in the right direction
any more
<ChrisL>
[21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.
svg
[21] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/styling-pres-01-t.svg
PD: yeah, okay, let's remove it
<ed> "An !important declaration within a presentation attribute
definition is an error."
<ed> from section 6.4
<ed> in svg 1.1
<ChrisL>
file:///D:/WWW/dev/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/styling.html#UsingPres
entationAttributes
<ed>
[22]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/styling.html#UsingP
resentationAttributes
[22]
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/styling.html#UsingPresentationAttributes
ED: is this something that we could change in 2nd Ed?
... what it does is make the attribute invalid
CL: so that means we would keep the test but change the pass
criteria?
ED: yes
<scribe> ACTION: CL to edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2773 - Edit the spec regarding
styling-pres-01-t.svg [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-05-03].
Finishing 1.1 actions
ED: I sent out an email
... please address your outstanding issues, or by the end of the
week any outstanding actions will be moved to the next edition
... anything to do with spec changes that is
... actions relating to publishing won't be changed of course
... heycam replied to say the javadoc stuff can be done after
publishing
<ChrisL> close ACTION-2773
<trackbot> ACTION-2773 Edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg
closed
ISSUE-2321 filter margins
ED: do we all agree to remove those margin attributes?
... there's push from mozilla, webkit and others
... Opera hasn't implemented it either
... so I don't mind
... trying to come up with something different that works, is
implementable and doesn't break old content could be tricky
<scribe> ACTION: ED to remove the filter margin attributes [recorded
in [24]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2774 - Remove the filter margin attributes
[on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
<scribe> ACTION: ED to investigate alternative ways of handling
subregions for filters [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2775 - Investigate alternative ways of
handling subregions for filters [on Erik Dahlström - due
2010-05-03].
<ed>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
path implementation details
ED: we got a suggestion to add a couple of links
... I think it would make it clearer
CL: I agree
<scribe> ACTION: ED to add links relating to
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
[recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2776 - Add links relating to
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
[on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-05-03].
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
public-fx telcon times
ED: please send in your preferred times
<ed>
[30]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=3&mon
th=5&year=2010&p1=224&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1
[30]
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=3&month=5&year=2010&p1=224&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1
<ChrisL> close ACTION-2772
<trackbot> ACTION-2772 Remove styling-pres-01-t.svg closed
<ChrisL> adjourned to work on actions
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: CL to edit the spec regarding styling-pres-01-t.svg
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to remove styling-pres-01-t.svg [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to add links relating to
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to investigate alternative ways of handling
subregions for filters [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to mark reviewed tests as accepted [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to remove the filter margin attributes [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: ED to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use
getPresentationAttribute [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Eric to rewrite styling-pres-02-f.svg to not use
getPresentationAttribute [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2010/04/26-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Apr/0119.html
[End of minutes]
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