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Re: SVG Feedback on HTML5 SVG Proposal

From: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:41:27 +0200
Cc: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>, "Doug Schepers" <schepers@w3.org>, <public-html@w3.org>, "www-svg" <www-svg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <A55CCC6B-D4E5-4724-8C76-AB5BBE941B32@iki.fi>
To: "Dailey, David P." <david.dailey@sru.edu>
On Mar 11, 2009, at 03:31, Dailey, David P. wrote:

> Then if someone posts that snippet of code on web pages and authors  
> start trying to use it in their cell phones, then cell phone makers  
> are going to have to build full-fledged HTML parsers into their  
> little hand held boxes to accommodate all the wild code, and that  
> defeats the value of SVG-Tiny.

When users want to browse to the same pages on their phones that they  
browse to on their desktops, the value of mobile profiles is defeated.

A phone that neither hosts an HTML parser nor a thin client for a  
distributed browser (e.g Skyfire or Opera Mini) is useless for  
browsing the Web. Moreover, an HTML parser is pretty small compared to  
the other parts of a browser or even an SVG rendered.

My phone hosts two full browsers and two thin clients for distributed  
browsers--and my phone is the least expensive 3G S60 phone there was  
on the market when I bought it in 2007. Moreover, pretty much any  
phone that has Internet connectivity these days can host the Opera  
Mini client if it can't host a full browser or the Skyfire client.

> If it doesn't break HTML, then it seems to me it'd be good to keep  
> SVG strict, at least until programmable matter becomes cheap (then  
> we'll have Crays in our fingernail polish right?).

Keeping SVG in text/html stricter than HTML in text/html involves more  
code--not less code. It's simpler if the tokenizer runs the same  
machine instructions regardless of the "in foreign" state of the tree  

Henri Sivonen
Received on Wednesday, 11 March 2009 08:42:16 UTC

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