- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:15:25 +1000
- To: www-svg@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
26 Aug 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/mid/20090825234450.GA11429@wok.mcc.id.au
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
heycam, anthony, Doug_Schepers, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Substitute for onload event in XSLT-generated graphics
[www-svg]
2. [6]filterRes Issue
3. [7]Substitute for onload event in XSLT-generated graphics
[www-svg] again
4. [8]painting-render-02-b.svg review
5. [9]MIME type registration
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 26 August 2009
<scribe> scribe: anthony
<scribe> chair: Cameron
<ChrisL> Agenda:
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JulSep/005
4.html
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JulSep/0054.html
Substitute for onload event in XSLT-generated graphics [www-svg]
<ChrisL>
[12]http://www.w3.org/mid/17608.193.8.177.17.1251183912.squirrel@web
mail22.mirsky.de
[12]
http://www.w3.org/mid/17608.193.8.177.17.1251183912.squirrel@webmail22.mirsky.de
CM: This about events and whether it should be dispached if the
document you opened is the result of an XSL transformation
CL: You don't automatically have parsing happening when XSLT is
running
... it generates source?
CM: It generates the DOM
... then installs the document
... that's how I thought it work
... not sure if incremental XSLT exists
CL: Basically it's another data source
... either way it should be parsed
... and when it's finished you should get a load event
CM: I haven't checked the wording we've got
... to see if it focuses on the parsing tags
CL: I don't hear any disagreement if that should happen
CM: If you have a whole DOM in memory and you wanted to do the thing
where script elements run
... as soon as you see the closing script tag
<ChrisL>
[13]http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/PER-xslt20-20090421/#result-trees
[13] http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/PER-xslt20-20090421/#result-trees
<ChrisL> The output of a transformation is a set of one or more
final result trees.
<ChrisL> A final result tree can be created explicitly, by
evaluating an xsl:result-document instruction. As explained in 2.4
Executing a Transformation, a final result tree is also created
implicitly if no xsl:result-document instruction is evaluated, or if
the result of evaluating the initial template is a non-empty
sequence.
<ChrisL> The way in which a final result tree is delivered to an
application is implementation-defined.
CL: [reads out above text]
... so XSL itself says nothing
... about how it gets load etc
... talks in terms about what the grammar is and what the out put is
CM: I wonder if the HTML5 spec says anything XML style sheet
processing instructions
... maybe they've already covered that
... about script elements and when they get run
<shepazu>
[14]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-xhtml-syntax.html#the-xhtml-syn
tax
[14] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-xhtml-syntax.html#the-xhtml-syntax
<shepazu> "Certain algorithms in this specification spoon-feed the
parser characters one string at a time. In such cases, the XML
parser must act as it would have if faced with a single string
consisting of the concatenation of all those characters."
DS: specifically the section 10.4
<shepazu> 10.4 Parsing XHTML fragments
DS: I'm not sure if it's at the same level that you guys were
talking
CM: Maybe the stuff in 10.2, 5th paragraph is talking about
... the script element
... and what you do with it
... It seems to me that SVGLoad gets dispatched to the root
CL: One thing about the original message is it about the spec or an
unnamed implementation being used?
CM: Think it being used in FireFox
CL: We seem to agree that SVGLoad event should be fired
... and there is nothing in HTML5 that is very definitive
CM: I think the trick is whether you have half a document in memory
(in the DOM) when you encounter a script element
... if the output of your XSLT is the whole DOM or whether you need
to reconstruct everything
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Look more into the HTML 5 specification
to see if there is wording about how the result of XSLT are parsed
when script element is encountered [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2661 - Look more into the HTML 5
specification to see if there is wording about how the result of
XSLT are parsed when script element is encountered [on Cameron
McCormack - due 2009-09-02].
filterRes Issue
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jul/0014.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jul/0014.html
AG: As far as I can tell the filterRes is used to calculate a
scaling factor for the filter primitive
... you divide the filterRes by the bounds in device space
... to get the scaling factor
... I'm pretty sure it's a DPI measurement
<ChrisL> (by the way, on previous topic,
[17]http://www.astrotexte.ch/sources/svgonload.html fails to fire
load in Firefox 3.6a1 but does throw in Opera 10 b2)
[17] http://www.astrotexte.ch/sources/svgonload.html
CM: It should be it's used to determine intermediate width and
height of the primitive
... the current wording makes it sound like they are the actual
width and height
AG: I think the current wording is wrong
... I'd like to hear what Eric thinks about this issue as well
Substitute for onload event in XSLT-generated graphics [www-svg] again
CL: I tried the example
... in Firefox it's not thrown
... in Opera it is
... couldn't test Safari can't get it working on my PC atm
... What we need is a test which uses XSLT to generate HTML with a
script that fires onload
... to see what they do with that
<ChrisL> [18]http://www.astrotexte.ch/sources/svgonload.html
[18] http://www.astrotexte.ch/sources/svgonload.html
CL: I suspect all the browsers will throw a load event
AG: Do you think it's worth making this a test case?
CL: Would be an interesting test
CM: Do we require XSL instructions to be processed in SVG?
CL: Optional addition
<ChrisL> safari on windows seems to crash on any svg file. odd
CL: sort of like inline TIFF, you can display it
... but don't have to
... In fire fox in the top case all you see is a blue circles
DS: When I load it in Safari it produces astrological symbols
... top and bottom
CM: So Safari does dispatch the event then
... next interesting test
... will be a document with a script halfway through it
CL: If you look on the bugzilla, the same comment is made there as
was made to us
... I think it would be useful to find out what HTML does in
practice
... I'd rather have the same load event dispatched
CM: Even if you don't go the root of reconstructing the DOM in the
right order we can say
... dispatch the event to the root element
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Test XSLT generating HTML with a script
that fires an onload event [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2662 - Test XSLT generating HTML with a
script that fires an onload event [on Cameron McCormack - due
2009-09-02].
painting-render-02-b.svg review
CL: Currently writing a program to test the different versions of
sRGB
... there's the original version invented by MS and HP
... then there's another version presented to the W3C that rounds
off
... the constants
... produced a discontinuity
... then there's another version that got standardised in IEC
... how did you derive your value?
AG: I used the W3C sRGB to calculate it
CM: Which is the correct one?
CL: The IEC sRGB
<ChrisL>
[20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB#Theory_of_the_transformation
[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRGB#Theory_of_the_transformation
CM: Does that mean the W3C one should be updated to match?
CL: It should, I had considered submitting something about this
<ChrisL> w3c has K0 = 0.03928
<ChrisL> iec has K0 = 0.04045
CM: Is this in a spec or is this a note?
... Is this something worth pointing out in the W3C spec?
CL: Yes, this may contribute to some of the variations between
results
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Investigate the discontinuities in the
sRGB gamut and correct any notes on the W3C website and any colour
tests that are incorrect [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2663 - Investigate the discontinuities in
the sRGB gamut and correct any notes on the W3C website and any
colour tests that are incorrect [on Chris Lilley - due 2009-09-02].
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Propose wording for the colour section in
F1.1 which clarifies which sRGB colour gamut to use [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2664 - Propose wording for the colour
section in F1.1 which clarifies which sRGB colour gamut to use [on
Chris Lilley - due 2009-09-02].
MIME type registration
<ChrisL>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-x
ml-02.html
[23]
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-02.html
CL: The latest version can be found in the above link
... I submitted a draft in July
... ISO still have some issues with what 5th edition spec references
... The bit about parsing the ascii characters hasn't changed in
editions
... I'm going to put explicit wording which will help address this
issue
... I'll probably be making a draft 0.3 that will incorporate the
change
... I've also started making some tests
... my draft also deprecates text/XML and says to used
application/XML
DS: What time frame are we talking about for the maturity such that
it would register the SVG MIME type
CL: All you have to do is show a two week period with no outstanding
comments
DS: So we could have SVG MIME type registered by SVG Open
CL: Depends on how things go
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Look more into the HTML 5 specification to
see if there is wording about how the result of XSLT are parsed when
script element is encountered [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Test XSLT generating HTML with a script
that fires an onload event [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to Investigate the discontinuities in the sRGB
gamut and correct any notes on the W3C website and any colour tests
that are incorrect [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to Propose wording for the colour section in
F1.1 which clarifies which sRGB colour gamut to use [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-svg-minutes.html#action04]
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