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Fwd: State of Implementation and Use of SVG DOM Features (was: Agenda, 5 August 2009 SVG WG telcon)

From: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:11:08 -0500
Message-ID: <da131fde0908060811t7a1fcd0bpbf4596e9a0082b5@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>

It looks like my mail to public-svg-wg was never posted to the www-svg
mailing list.  Confusing.

Anyway, here it is again.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: State of Implementation and Use of SVG DOM Features (was:
Agenda, 5 August 2009 SVG WG telcon)
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Cc: public-svg-wg@w3.org

Hi Doug,

This sounds like a great effort.  A full list of all API
methods/interfaces and their implementation status followed by their
used status would be a very useful thing.

In some cases you could instantly see that APIs may have been
consistently implemented but are never used (and are therefore likely
candidates for removal/simplification).  This is clearly a good goal.

On the other hand the used status of features may be directly related
to the implemented status.  In some cases we will see methods never
being used and this is because they have not been consistently
implemented across browsers.  One example that springs to mind is
getIntersectionList() and getEnclosureList().  These would be very
useful features for the SVG-edit project but the only browser that
implements them is Opera at the moment.

> I also think it would be useful for us to make sure we have tests for all
> the SVG DOM interfaces,'

I think this is sorely needed and I would like to volunteer to help in
this effort.  I'll bring this up in the SVG IG conf call tomorrow and
see if there are any more volunteers.


P.S. Is there a difference between the www-svg and the public-svg-wg
list?  Just thought I'd ask so I can set up a new label/filter in

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Doug Schepers<schepers@w3.org> wrote:
> Hi, Folks-
> I'm attending a conference this week, so I might want to bow out of the
> conference early to get some sleep.
> But I would like to discuss the DOM API stuff... specifically, I think it
> might be fruitful for us do a survey of implemented/used SVG DOM features,
> when looking at how much and what we can effectively simplify in the SVG DOM
> API.
> One thing I'd like to do is look at the various SVG script libraries, like
> dojo.gfx and such, since they may well use the fullest extent of SVG DOM
> features available cross-browser.
> I also think it would be useful for us to make sure we have tests for all
> the SVG DOM interfaces, and do some interoperability testing, so we can
> ensure that there is an effective baseline of functionality for authors.
>  This would also help relatively new efforts, like SVG Web, in establishing
> what should be high-priority implementation targets, in terms of the DOM.
>  We don't want folks "wasting" time implementing stuff that can only be used
> in that one implementation, when they could be closing in on interop with
> other implementations.
> Hopefully, we can also get for a report from MAMA on what content uses which
> SVG DOM features.
> Finally, on a relatied note, I'd like to discuss what the SVG WG should do
> about the proposal to deprecate/remove DOMFocusIn, DOMFocusOut, and
> DOMActivate.
> Regards-
> -Doug Schepers
> W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
> Cameron McCormack wrote (on 8/4/09 3:42 AM):
>> Hello everyone.
>> Below is the agenda for tomorrow’s SVG WG telcon.
>> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings
>> * SVG 1.1 Second Edition progress, tests
>> * Test suite template
>> * Pinned clip module
>>   http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/pinnedclip/publish/
>> * SVG DOM improvements
>> * filterRes rounding [www-svg]
>>   http://www.w3.org/mid/200907091214.09818.Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de
>> * feGaussianBlur [www-svg]
>>   http://www.w3.org/mid/200907141148.36430.Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de
>> * Inheritance during SVG animation of CSS properties [www-svg]
>>   http://www.w3.org/mid/4A64F46A.6000900@mozilla.com
>> * possible errata: SVG 1.1/1.2 tspan Element dx Attribute definition
>> [www-svg]
>> http://www.w3.org/mid/8429F2BC-8CC3-4075-8096-793E02C1E6BD@btinternet.com
>> * CSS images module [www-svg]
>>   http://www.w3.org/mid/200907281206.29399.bert@w3.org
>> * feDistantLight [www-svg]
>>   http://www.w3.org/mid/200907311617.03855.Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de
>> Thanks,
>> Cameron
Received on Thursday, 6 August 2009 15:11:50 UTC

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