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Re: ARIA and the user's rôle

From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:52:40 -0400
Message-ID: <4706EA68.6030903@w3.org>
To: ~:'' ありがとうございました。 <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Cc: SVG List <www-svg@w3.org>

Hi, Jonathan-

You often have really insightful observations, but you're way off base here.

1) We're not talking about integrating ARIA into SVG, we're talking 
about integrating the 'role' attribute (which can be used in combination 
with ARIA, among many other things);

2) You don't seem to understand the use cases of ARIA (and I've already 
pointed you to resources to get you started);

3) The SVG WG *is not the group that is specifying ARIA*; if you have 
questions, comments, or criticisms about ARIA, direct them to the WAI WG 

Finally, a comment on your campaign for "user representation":  I think 
the manner in which you are characterizing the integration of "user" 
needs is vague at best and very disingenuous at worst.  You are 
inconsistent about who you mean by "users"... end-users, casual 
developers, people using an authoring tool, and people with various 
disabilities are all very different audiences, and deserve individual 

Features requests by or for any of those groups will certainly be taken 
seriously, as will feature requests by or for experienced developers. 
In this case, inclusion of the 'role' attribute was a feature request by 
the latter.  It's absurd to even put forth the idea that only features 
requested by the least experienced should be included, which is 
essentially what you're arguing.

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-Doug Schepers
W3C Staff Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI

~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote (on 10/5/2007 4:58 PM):
> Doug,
> I wrote to you, because you specifically asked for comments.
> "Please let us know what you think."
> I've spent plenty of time reading around ARIA, and am not prepared to 
> "lighten up" nor do I consider it self evidently "It's a win".
> My comment in brief, is that it appears to be written by developers, for 
> developers.
> rather than as requested by users.
> Nothing you've pointed me to, suggests that users will be better able to 
> create accessible documents with ARIA. Corporations and interested 
> developers maybe....
> did you ever try to use Emacspeak?
> could we agree it's not for everyone?
> which is not to deny there's a brilliant developer behind it....
> kind regards
> Jonathan Chetwynd
> Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
> On 5 Oct 2007, at 13:56, Doug Schepers wrote:
> It's a win, lighten up

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