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RE: [SVGMobile12] SVGT12-207: <textArea> redundant with HTML

From: Jon Ferraiolo <jonf@adobe.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:41:03 -0800
Message-ID: <6ECA24BE410D994496A2AE995367C5C87A137E@namail3.corp.adobe.com>
To: "Maciej Stachowiak" <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>, <www-svg@w3c.org>

Hi Maciej,
OK, forget about the "in scope" response. The other part of the response
was that we have decided to keep <textArea> because the community and
SVG Tiny implementers have requested it.

There is a long, long history of discussion on whether SVG should
support simple text wrapping. Probably 100+ emails on the public list.
We ended up taking a technical approach based on suggestions from the
same Ian Hickson who is now objecting to the feature.

The WG has made its decision.


-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Stachowiak [mailto:mjs@apple.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:34 AM
To: Jon Ferraiolo
Cc: Ian Hickson; www-svg@w3c.org
Subject: Re: [SVGMobile12] SVGT12-207: <textArea> redundant with HTML

On Mar 1, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Jon Ferraiolo wrote:

>  Also, <textArea> is not a new feature with the 3rd Last Call, so  
> your comment
> is out of the scope of feedback which we have solicited. The 3rd Last
> Call was announced with the following words: "The purpose of this  
> third
> Last Call is to allow reviewers to verify that their comments have  
> been
> included as agreed by the SVG Working Group, it is not intended as a
> new, general review period."

Please address Ian's comment on the substance. The W3C Process says:

"Starting with a Last Call review up to the transition to Proposed  
Recommendation, a Working Group must formally address any substantive  
review comment about a technical report and should do so in a timely  


The W3C Process does not appear to allow limiting the scope of a Last  
Call, or indeed to allow limiting the scope of comments addressed  
even up to the PR stage. (It does say a working group "the Working  
Group may decline to make substantive changes to address issues  
raised between the end of a Last Call review period and publication  
of a Recommendation"

In fact the W3C process does not even allow having another Last Call  
immediately after a Last Call draft fails to proceed to CR. The W3C  
Process says:

"The Working Group makes substantive changes to the technical report  
at any time after a Last Call announcement and prior to Publication  
as a Recommendation, except when the changes involve the removal of  
features at risk identified in a Call for Implementations. In the  
case of substantive changes, the Working Group must republish the  
technical report as a Working Draft."

Please follow the W3C Process.


> Thanks for your feedback.
> Jon Ferraiolo
> --------------
> From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC)
> To: www-svg@w3.org
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0512281919430.7669@dhalsim.dreamhost.com>
> I object to the inclusion of the <textArea> feature in SVG Tiny  
> 1.2. It
> appears to be no more than a poor man's HTML, dramatically lacking in
> semantics and presentational controls. It is already possible to  
> achieve
> any effect that <textArea> introduces, using <foreignObject> and
> embedded
> content styled using CSS' rich formatting properties.
> Please remove the <textArea> feature from SVG Tiny 1.2.
> -- 
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