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Re: [SVG] Experiment and proposal

From: Fred P. <fprog26@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:31:23 -0400
To: www-svg@w3.org
Message-ID: <BAY2-F104f4yp8ARf3s0000511e@hotmail.com>

>>>Table have been used since years to layout text,
>>>why shall that change?
>
>
>>Because it's been shown to be extremely inefficient, and has particular
>>accessibility issues, making it inappropriate for web use.
>
>
>Inappropriate for web use let me laught.
>Tell me a single non-trivial non-stupid non-completely-flash
>web page where <table> are not used anywhere for transparent text layout.

>The new ESPN web site ( interview at 
>http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2003/espn-interview/01/ )

Ya that's great Microsoft ESPN decided to make Netscape 4
unable to see their site! What a good news!
Weirdly, they decided that most of their sites:
MSN.com will bug in Opera
Hotmail.com would crash your Netscape4

Not mentioning that if you resize the page in a specific manner,
the entire layout will be screwed out.
<div> is good for default best-case scenario,
it doesn't work with old browser and doesn't
work neither for new browser if you resize
the webpage just a bit.

>Wired News (interview at 
>http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/wired-interview/ )

Same problem with Wired or others.

>Cingular Wireless
>Fast Company
>zeldman.com
>etc.

>That's more than one.  These are all sites that use a grid layout, but 
>don't have to use tables to achieve this.

>With proper support of css2 & 3,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's a problem for us!

>the need for tables to layout a page is significantly reduced.

>Ideally tables are only to be used for tabular data, i.e. information with 
>a 2-dimensional correlation, though there are still some designs that are 
>not possible without tables given current css support in major browsers. (3 
>column, one column with full image vertical coverage matching variable page 
>height, with a horiziontal gradient, for >example, css3 background 
>properties such as background-size will >resolve cases like this).

Of course if you design your site such that it works ONLY for IE5/6,
you won't have any problem, but there is other browser that people use
that won't support those.

You can't just cut back backward compatibility just for the fun of it.

This doesn't mean that you cannot have XHTML/CSS site
which generates contents faster for some browser
and generates thicker contents with old table layout for others.

Fred.






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