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RE: 1.2 feedback: Streaming

From: John Hayman <JHayman@rim.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:08:04 -0500
Message-ID: <F88DB8752C2F644E91BE66DC3ACFF4800851FE@XCL01YYZ.rim.net>
To: "Vadim Plessky" <plessky@cnt.ru>, "Niklas Gustavsson" <niklas@protocol7.com>, <www-svg@w3.org>

That assumes SVG's only place is as a browser plug-in on desktop machines.

Where (hopefully) SVG will take off is in the Mobile space where there is no clear market leader for animations. And (after the success of SMS messaging) there is much motivation to come up with a standard for sending multi-media from one handset wirelessly to another.  Preferably something that is non-proprietary.  SVG sounds as good as anything else out there (and a lot better than most).  

But it needs
- ubiquity (there are more than a few would-be implementers of SVG-Mobile out there)
- fast download (well, we'll see)
- compelling content (animations are **KEY**)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vadim Plessky [mailto:plessky@cnt.ru]
> Sent: November 20, 2002 7:11 AM
> To: Niklas Gustavsson; www-svg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: 1.2 feedback: Streaming
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday 19 November 2002 3:36 pm, Niklas Gustavsson wrote:
> |  From: "Thierry Kormann" <tkormann@ilog.fr>
> |  > > There are many possible uses for streaming, e.g.:
> |  > > * "movies" - this is probably the biggest area for Flash right
> |  > > now. Could be
> |  > > animated instructions, feature walk-throughs, intros 
> and much more.
> |  > > Streaming makes it possible to have a >100kb movie that still
> |  > > plays without
> |  > > a long waiting time. I think this is the most important case.
> |  >
> |  > A Jon said, I don't think this is the market place for SVG.
> |
> |  I think this is a huge market place. I don't know if I'm 
> the typical user
> | of SVG/Flash, but this kind of productions (e.g. animated technical
> | education, illustration of products) are well more then 50% 
> of my work.
> 
> Well, I have Flash plugin installed, but *disable* this 
> plugin when browsing, 
> as Flash content requires unnecessary bandwidth usage (and I 
> want to avoid 
> this)
> But overhead with Adobe's SVG plugin (Windows/MS IE) is even 
> more than with 
> Flash.
> So, market is not limited by itself - it's close to 
> *non-existant* state at a 
> moment.
> I think someone from Macromedia (see article on C-Net  about 
> SVG 1.1 release) 
> said that Flash installed on 98% of desktops, and SVG - on 
> less than 1%.
> I tend to agree with these numbers.
> Besides, existing SVG implementations tend to be too heavy, 
> so you can't 
> install SVG "on demand" unless you have high-speed broadband 
> connection.
> 
> Does some seriously think that SVG would be able to compete 
> twith Flash in 
> nearest feature?
> If so - than pls explain *how*.  I am very curious on 
> opinions about this.
> 
> [...]
> |
> |  /niklas
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Vadim Plessky
> SVG Icons
> http://svgicons.sourceforge.net
> 
> 
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