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AW: [Moderator Action] RE: "Scroll-free scrolling" - Is this the SVG WG position?

From: Herzog, Juergen <Juergen.Herzog@telekom.de>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:29:10 +0100
Message-Id: <5FC5AB326FBFD211A0920800060D9A9F05AA9A50@U8P16>
To: www-svg@w3.org
Hi,

just a little remark to the discussion I've been following:
Scrolling (with scroll bars) at least has one big disadvantage compared to panning:
For diagonal moving around the image you always need two user interactions.
(And if the first trial is not what the user wanted he might have to do even more, i.e.
panning is much more user friendly than scrolling)

Regards Jürgen

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von:	Justin Fletcher - SVG [SMTP:svg@movspclr.co.uk]
> Gesendet am:	Mittwoch, 17. Januar 2001 00:48
> An:	www-svg@w3.org
> Betreff:	[Moderator Action] RE: "Scroll-free scrolling" - Is this the SVG WG position?
> 
> In message <001a01c07e67$c53fadf0$0100a8c0@aries>
>           "Charles F. Munat" <chas@munat.com> wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, lest Andrew appear to be alone in his concerns about "scroll-free
> > scrolling," I agree that implementations of SVG on the Windows platform (and
> > others) should include scrollbars and that the recommendation should make
> > this clear. Panning is a nice added functionality, but it should not be the
> > sole means of accommodating images larger than the view screen.
> >
> > People expect scrollbars. It's that simple. A shift to a panning paradigm
> 
> I don't think they expect them on GIFs or JPEGs, do they ?
> 
> > will require retraining millions of users, and will increase the slope of
> > the learning curve, and for what? Where is the benefit? I am especially
> > concerned by the ramifications for users with cognitive disabilities of
> > further complicating the user interface. So I think this is an accessibility
> > issue.
> 
> Sorry, I've not really been following this too much, but I fail to see what
> the fuss is about... Nor what the difference is between scrolling and
> panning. Scrolling is moving around the image. Panning is moving around the
> image. You have to do that if you incorporate any form of zoom. The default
> workarea specified by the SVG should be the main area and shouldn't have
> scroll bars if there are sections outside of this area. If I've
> misunderstood then please just tell me to refer to the document, and I'll
> re-check what I've read...
> 
> -- 
> Justin Fletcher, SVG developer for RISC OS
> URL: http://www.movspclr.co.uk/
Received on Wednesday, 17 January 2001 13:29:34 GMT

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