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Re: your mail sorry for no subject line (review request for SVG 1.0)

From: Robert DiBlasi <r_diblasi@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:18:52 +0000
To: dean@w3.org
Cc: www-svg@w3.org, dean@w3c.org, chris@w3c.org, jferraio@adobe.com, www-svg-request@w3c.org
Message-ID: <F18243oFLaqSOc7wo9500006df0@hotmail.com>
Dean,

Thank you responding :-) .....and thank you for passing this note on the the 
SVG working group:-)

We all learn by sharing what we know
Robert A. DiBlasi
www.svgnotebook.com.....(almost there)


>From: Dean Jackson <dean@w3.org>
>To: Robert DiBlasi <r_diblasi@hotmail.com>
>CC: www-svg@w3.org, dean@w3c.org, chris@w3c.org, jferraio@adobe.com,        
>www-svg-request@w3c.org
>Subject: Re: your mail
>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:28:30 +1100
>
>Robert,
>
>Thanks for your detailed request. We will pass it on
>to the SVG Working Group to consider for the next
>release of the SVG 1.1 specification.
>
>Dean
>
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Robert DiBlasi wrote:
>
> > Dean and Chris and Jon and W3C,
> >
> > I not sure if this falls under editorial or error...but after reading 
>the
> > final SVG 1.0 (and even before it made it to final approval ) ....I 
>think
> > I figured out why I have had so much trouble with the first two 
>paragraphs
> > of the Specification....and am asking for a review by the W3 !!!
> >
> > I have put my solution at the Top of this E-mail  because it is kinda
> > long......please read it Dean and Chris and Jon and W3C,.....if you want
> > to understand my suggestion :-)
> >
> > SOLUTION:
> > In the two paragraphs of the SVG 1.0:
> >
> > 1.1 About SVG
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html#AboutSVG
> >
> > The feature set includes nested transformations, clipping paths, alpha
> > masks, filter effects and template objects.
> >
> > "feature set" should have link to:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#RequiredFeaturesAttribute
> >
> > SVG drawings can be animated and  be dynamic. Animations can be defined
> > and triggered either declaratively (i.e., by embedding SVG animation
> > elements in SVG content) or via scripting.
> >
> > "animated" in the first sentence should be linked to:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#RequiredFeaturesAttribute
> > (it would be nice if it linked to the bullet that addressed
> > org.w3c.svg.animation )
> >
> > "dynamic in the first sentence should be linked to:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#RequiredFeaturesAttribute
> > (it would be nice if it linked to the bullet that addressed
> > org.w3c.svg.dynamic)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ############################
> > THE PROBLEM
> > ############################
> >
> > 1) In second paragraph of SVG 1.0
> > 1.1 About SVG
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html#AboutSVG
> >
> > The last sentence in the paragraph is important:
> > <snip>
> > The feature set includes nested transformations, clipping paths, alpha
> > masks, filter effects and template objects
> > </snip>
> >
> > (MY SUGGESTION IS:)
> > "feature set " needs to be a link.....I am suggesting to :
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#RequiredFeaturesAttribute
> >
> > This may not make sense why it needs to be a link at first .....until 
>you
> > read the first and second sentences of third paragraph:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html#AboutSVG
> >
> > <snip>
> > SVG drawings can be interactive and dynamic. Animations can be defined 
>and
> >
> > triggered either declaratively (i.e., by embedding SVG animation 
>elements
> > in SVG content) or via scripting.
> > </snip>
> >
> > The first sentence seems to make sense until you really read it closely
> > and click the links.....
> >
> > first sentence:
> > <snip>
> > SVG drawings can be interactive and dynamic.
> > </snip>
> >
> > interactive  links to:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html
> >
> > dynamic links to:
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/animate.html
> >
> > you say so what ..........I say look at the next sentence :
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html#AboutSVG
> > <snip>
> > Animations can be defined and triggered either declaratively (i.e., by
> > embedding SVG animation elements in SVG content) or via scripting.
> > </snip>
> >
> > The first word of this sentence "Animation" is  links to :
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/animate.html
> >
> > NOTICE: that "dynamic" in the sentence before........links to the same
> > place as "Animation" in the sentence after...........THIS IS CONFUSING
> > because ...... believe it or not if you follow the link that I suggest
> > "feature set" should have .......you will notice that "dynamic" and
> > "Animation" have totally different meaning in SVG!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > I could give more evidence ...like...out of the 11 chapters "dynamic"  
>is
> > used in (31 times total) the word "dynamic" is used i only 4 times in
> > reference to "Animation"......and one of this times is the link I am
> > questioning.....so dynamic does not even come close to meaning 
>"animation"
> >
> > in SVG.....I could give more facts ....but I think I have given ample
> > evidence.
> >
> >   I  hope you can see I have invested a lot of time in trying to 
>understand
> > this and point out to you that it need to be changed......it is ...in my
> > opinion.........wrong and flawed and as for as I can understand lacking
> > any usefulness in the specification as it is now.
> > (this is not a put down on anyone......it has taken me  about 6 months 
>to
> > catch it myself.   SVG 1.0 is an amazing piece of work!!!..... I just 
>want
> >
> > to suggest to the W3C possible misreading of SVG 1.0 and how a little
> > change could help make the specification more useful for developers 
>......
> > :-)
> >
> >   I have mentioned this before.........when I read technical 
>writing.....I
> > read it literally.......These sentences are at the beginning of the
> > specification....and for me.....are the corner stones for
> > understanding.......I hope you share the concern I have about addressing
> > this issue.....I  am not exaggerating when I say It has taken me 6 
>months
> > or more to understand why I was confused ....and now I think I know why
> > :-)
> >
> > It might be nice to point out the features in a appendix or something 
>like
> >
> > that......but I really think this issue needs to be addressed.
> >
> > thank you for your time....sorry for the long message....I just do not
> > know how to say it in a shorter way :-(
> >
> > We all learn by sharing what we know
> > Robert A. DiBlasi
> > www.svgnotebook.com
> >
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