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Re: [CfC] adding 'rebeccapurple' color to CSS Color Level 4

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:13:59 -0700
Message-ID: <CAAWBYDDBpL4rC82TZ3xk_tbaV00_OH6wFbbSwaMSCXG-8gXwUQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Gérard Talbot <www-style@gtalbot.org>
Cc: "matmarquis.com" <mat@matmarquis.com>, Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>
Gerard, I'm pretty sure you're not a member of the WG, so please stop
commenting on this CfC.  If I'm mistaken and you are a member, your
vote has been noted, and it is not necessary to continue arguing.

~TJ

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Gérard Talbot <www-style@gtalbot.org> wrote:
> Le 2014-06-19 15:21, matmarquis.com a écrit :
>
>> I’m a “W3C Invited Expert”—so I’m not sure I have anything in the way
>> of say, here—but I’m in favor of this addition.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 19, at 1:27 PM, Gérard Talbot wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 2014-06-19 11:04, Daniel Glazman a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> I disagree with such proposal. I have nothing personal for or against
>>> Eric Meyer or his daughter. Of all the things that need to be corrected,
>>> reedited, changed, tested, modified, illustrated, etc.. in the
>>> specifications, this has to be the least significant one.
>>
>>
>> We can certainly all agree that there’s lots of work to be done.
>
>
> "Due to a distinct lack of things to discuss, I'm canceling this week's
> call."
>
> Conf call 2014-jun-04 CANCELED
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jun/0023.html
>
>
>> I
>> propose we get back to doing that work by not spending any more time
>> debating this issue, which has a profound level of support from the
>> developer community and unanimous support from the major rendering
>> engines.
>
>
> In any very serious forum or discussion, level of support is never
> considered determinant or decisive or sufficient of itself and by itself.
>
>
>>
>> This proposal costs nothing. There are no details for us to iron out,
>> the single-line implementations were complete hours after it was first
>> proposed, and letting this CfC quietly pass in no way stands to
>> interfere with any of our daily work.
>>
>>> Lots of people have contributed (volunteerly or not) to the advance of
>>> web standards. So where are you going to stop from now on?
>>
>>
>> Many great people have contributed to web standards, for sure, but few
>> of them had so much influence over the widespread uptake of CSS as
>> Eric Meyer. This is an especially unique situation where there’s an
>> associated hex value—I don’t believe you’ll find many cases of this in
>> the past, and if so I’m certain you won’t find that they went on to
>> threaten the sanctity of `papayawhip`. A single data point isn’t much
>> use in predicting a slope, let alone a slippery one.
>
>
> Proponents of this proposal are opening such door.
>
>
>> Yes, this is an emotion-driven issue.
>
>
> Proponents of this proposal are the ones opening the "emotional" door.
>
>
>> We’re people: people writing
>> specs, concerned with making better careers for the people who build
>> websites
>
>
> CSS3 modules are already complex and are already misused and abused.
>
> I am convinced that some workarounds proposed for CSS in the past have
> become a problem in the present.
>
> CSS was designed to reduce code, to reuse code, to simplify site maintenance
> and to be more accessible: I am convinced the web has never been farther
> away from this.
>
>
>> and a better web for the people who use them.
>
>
> I wish it was the case...
>
>
>> In the face of
>> a crushing tragedy suffered by someone responsible for the very nature
>> of the careers we all enjoy, I can’t imagine not applying that same
>> kind of empathy here.
>
>
> I do not understand why you are saying this or how you reach such
> relationship. The danger I see here is that, if this color name is not
> approved, then it may or could or would mean we do not have empathy or
> sensitivity for Eric Meyer. And that would be a mistake.
>
> Alternatives for you:
> - Send an email or letter to Eric Meyer detailing how you feel, what you
> think or whatever you want to tell him
> - Visit him and spend an afternoon with him and tell him how you feel or
> whatever you believe he may need to know or to be told from you
>
> In the final analysis, he may appreciate (and I think he will appreciate)
> this truly human touch and genuine emotional gesture much more than a CSS4
> named color.
>
> FWIW, I remember an USA saying - admittedly very rough and tough - that goes
> like this, something like this: "Life is a bitch and then you die (or we all
> die?). Deal with it."
>
> Gérard Talbot
>
>
>> I hope we can count on the support of everyone who feels the same way.
>>
>>
>>> If Microsoft wants to name its next browser the "Bill and Steve" web
>>> browser (instead of Internet Explorer 12), then that's their business.
>>
>>
>>> Gérard
>
>
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