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Re: line-height suggestions and easier alignment

From: Richard Le Poidevin <ric@betleywhitehorne.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:25:43 +0000
Message-ID: <4F056C97.2070008@betleywhitehorne.com>
To: www-style@gtalbot.org
CC: Peter Sorotokin <psorotok@adobe.com>, Alan Gresley <alan@css-class.com>, W3C www-style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>
Hello Gérard,

InDesign isn't a WYSIWYG HTML editor although it can export HTML 
(probably not very well!). It's a print layout tool by Adobe that is 
similar to Quark Express. It's become the industry standard for print 
layouts in magazines, documents, brochures and I think even newspapers - 
basically it good at handling lots of text. I mentioned it here as it 
most clearly illustrated how line-height (leading) has been 
traditionally applied and the advantages it has for vertically aligning 
text. Whilst not everything Adobe do is great they do have a lot of 
experience with typography.



On 05/01/2012 02:23, "Gérard Talbot" wrote:
> Le Mer 4 janvier 2012 16:32, Peter Sorotokin a écrit :
>> On 1/4/12 12:13 PM, "Gérard Talbot"<www-style@gtalbot.org>  wrote:
>>> Le Mer 4 janvier 2012 11:27, Peter Sorotokin a écrit :
>>>> Just to add two cents here: mismatch in leading model (and in vertical
>>>> spacing) is indeed a huge pain for tools like InDesign.
>>> Peter,
>>> I do not understand why you are not the first person to say that Adobe
>>> tool like InDesign is not perfectly, entirely compliant with CSS 2.1 to
>>> begin with, to start with and it should be entirely compliant with CSS
>>> 2.1
>>> (and possibly ATAG 1.0). Standards are mutually beneficial to compliant
>>> parties.
>>> There is no compatibility/incompatibility problems (headaches,
>>> nightmares)
>>> if we all follow and implement W3C web standards.
>> Gérard,
>> I do not understand your point. In what sense do you expect InDesign to be
>> CSS-2.1-compliant, given that there are tons of features in InDesign that
>> are not addressed even in CSS3?
> Peter,
> I do not use InDesign. I assumed from reading this thread - maybe I'm
> wrong here - that InDesign is an WYSIWYG HTML editor with CSS editing
> capabilities. If this is the case and if InDesign does not split leading
> above and below content area, then such authoring tool is not
> CSS-2.1-compliant.
> [snipped]
>> The problem occurs when a multi-line paragraph with large leading (say,
>> line-height:2) gets broken across two pages. Proper typography requires
>> top edge of the first line on the second page to be aligned with the top
>> edge of the printable area of the page. In CSS it will be shifted down
>> one-half of the leading. On the first page it can be "fixed" using
>> negative margin, but not on the second page. (And negative margin trick,
>> of course, only works when line-height does not change in the paragraph
>> and hen there is no background).
> Okay. I understand that issue now.
> regards, Gérard
Received on Thursday, 5 January 2012 09:26:29 UTC

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