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RE: [css3-grid-layout] Suggestions for terminology amendments

From: Markus Mielke <mmielke@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:45:03 +0000
To: Mark Boulton <mark@markboulton.co.uk>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, François REMY <fremycompany_pub@yahoo.fr>
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Thanks for the feedback. We are working on an updated editor’s draft where we plan to make some of the terminology updates.

Markus [msft]


From: François REMY
Sent: ‎August‎ ‎2‎, ‎2012 ‎8‎:‎16‎ ‎AM
To: Mark Boulton, www-style@w3.org
Subject: Re: [css3-grid-layout] Suggestions for terminology amendments

At this point of time, the CSS Grid specification doesn't have a concept of
module at all. Therefore, I think that most concepts based on the module
definition don't apply to it.

The addition of a module-based layout option for the CSS Grid specification
can (and should) be considerated for further revisions of the specification
as it cover some layouts that are currently not optimally covered by CSS
Grids (consistent spacing between columns in an automatically layouted grid
is a good example of this). Meanwhile, in order to allow this specification
to hit browsers as soon as possible, I would prefer if this addition could
be discussed as part of CSS Grid Level 2 instead of Level 1.



However, based on your mail, I think we can do a better job in following the
existing naming conventions :

    - Grid Lines   should be called   Grid Gutters
    - Grid Cells   should be called   Grid Fields

Grid Rows and Grid Columns are by definition running the full height/width
of the grid, which explains their name.




-----Message d'origine-----
From: Mark Boulton
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 3:29 PM
To: www-style@w3.org
Subject: [css3-grid-layout] Suggestions for terminology amendments

In reference to:
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-grid-layout/#core-concepts-of-the-grid


I'm confused as to the need to invent new terminology with regards to grids
that have existed for centuries. I'm also a little concerned that the mental
model this terminology builds is one more similar to tables and spreadsheets
(where these terms could be interchangeable) than to grids and layout.

Specifically on the terminology:

- Grid Lines are known as Gutters.
- Grid Cells are known as Modules (or Units – the term is interchangeable).
They represent the smallest building block of the grid.
- Combinations of modules vertically are Columns *if* they run the full
height of the grid.
- Combinations of modules horizontally are Rows *if* they run the full width
of the grid
- Combinations of modules both vertically and horizontally are Fields.

There's a lot of great stuff in this draft, but some of the theory of
designing grids has been around for centuries. If we could start to align
CSS with existing terminology, and existing mental models of how layout is
designed, then all the better.

Just a thought…

For more information on this, I wrote a blog post last year that expands on
some of this thinking:
http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/rethinking-css-grids


Thanks for your time and consideration,
Mark Boulton






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