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[CSSWG] Minutes and Resolutions 2011-11-12

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:24:26 -0800
Message-ID: <4D2EB6BA.5050704@inkedblade.net>
To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Summary:

   - proposed mini F2F in Bay Area this month to work through CSS2.1 tests
   - plinss and fantasai setting up a nightly build of the CSS2.1 test suite
   - reviewed several CSS2.1 tests that don't have 2 passes
   - CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders will be resubmitted for CR transition

====== Full minutes below ======

Present:
   César Acebal
   David Baron
   Bert Bos
   Cathy Chan
   Arron Eicholz
   Elika Etemad
   Simon Fraser
   Sylvain Galineau
   Daniel Glazman
   Brad Kemper
   Hĺkon Wium Lie
   Peter Linss
   Steve Zilles

Scribe: Bert
No IRC logs due to IRC server outage.

March F2F
---------

   [7/9-mar-2011 in Mountain View, CA]

   glazou: Don't forget to register with ESTA. Get tickets soon, to get
           good prices.
   dbaron: No special reqs. on my side I'd like an estimate of how many
           people come, to do with reserving the right kind of room.
   glazou: we got request for a few observers.
   Simon: If dbaron sends a message, we can reply to it.
   dbaron: Or I can use a form.
   glazou: About hotels: there are also apartments not far from Castro
           Street. cheaper than hotels. Also Oakwood Apartments, near
           Moffet.
   dbaron: Yes, that is pretty close.

Testing mini-ftf
----------------

   Glazou: Peter proposed a mini ftf.
   Peter: Somewhere in Bay Area. I can travel up there easily.
   Sylvain: Around ftf, or earlier?
   Peter: ASAP. I can probably get a meeting room at HP Palo Alto.
   Fantasai: Not sure I can come next week, later ok.
   Peter: Not a formal ftf.
   Glazou: Seems useful. Can you organize it by e-mail?
   Peter: Are enough people interested?
   Arron: Makes sense. I can probably travel down there for that reason.
   Peter: You are probably the only one, other than me, who has to
          travel. Unless Opera can come as well.
   Howcome: We should try to find an Opera person, indeed...
   Peter: OK, everybody tell me over the next two weeks and I'll
          organize it.
   Some talk about having phone+IRC available for remote participation.

CSS2.1 Testing
--------------

   Glazou: Agenda had some links. Can somebody give a summary of the
           status?
   Arron: All MS test cases have been updated, except for one, from an
          e-mail from dbaron.
   Fantasai: If you need something like a snapshot, we can make it. There
             is also a "nightly unstable" folder, that plinss and I are
             setting up.
   Peter: I'm working on the harness to integrate the nightly there, too.
   Arron: Does it create a diff file?
   Fantasai: No, but we can set that up. Do you need a stable snapshot?
   Arron: We've been doing snapshots about once a month. Another stable
          snapshot would be good. We have a lot of changes.

   Glazou: What can we do today? Resolve any of the blocking issues?
   Fantasai: [lists the issues] Some seem to be real implementation
             bugs. There is also one issue listed that I'm not sure
             why it's there since I got two passes.

   Peter: About the bidi issue that Fantasai mentioned: there are several
          things tested in one file.
   Fantasai: Most impl fail on whitespace-bidi issue, it seems:
             http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/blocking/bidi-004
             Opera and Konq misplace the border or padding. But all three
             browsers I tested fail to trim lead/trail white space after
             bidi reordering.
   Arron: IE fails because of same whitespace handling issue.

   Simon: I think test abspos-009
          http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/blocking/z-index-abspos-009 is
          wrong.
   Fantasai: If it's an off-by-1px error, I need to adjust some sizes.

   Arron: Most of the blocking ones are probably invalid tests.
   Fantasai: That is what I think, too. Especially the page breaking ones.

   Discussion of background-intrinsic tests, which were updated last month.
   dbaron: I filed a bug on old versions of the tests and the bug became
           marked invalid. Will resubmit.
   Simon: They're not comprehensive enough, e.g. tiling is not addressed.
   Fantasai: We might need more tests for some things, but test suite is
             currently frozen.

   [Unclear what more we can do during this telcon]

   Arron: I'll ask Gérard to review some tests. Than we'll have
          three reviews for those and we can get them off the list.

   Peter: We still have a few tests that are valid but don't pass in two
          impls. What do we do about those? The background-intrinsic tests.
          http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/blocking/background-intrinsic
   Simon: Maybe Webkit can become a second impl. Looking into it.
   dbaron: I'm still trying to understand why we don't pass.
   Simon: [something about intrinsic ratio of SVG].

CSS Background to CR
--------------------

   Fantasai: What is left to do?
   Bert: Was WAI comment addressed?
   Fantasai: That was done.
   Bert: Then only need to get a new Director's decision.
   ACTION Bert: set up telcon for Director's decision.

Flexbox
-------

   Glazou: problem... [sound breaking up]


Peter: Let's adjourn. Let me know if you want to come to the mini ftf
on testing. See you all next week!

Meeting closed.
Received on Thursday, 13 January 2011 08:25:02 GMT

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