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RE: [css3-text] Suppressing underlines propagated from ancestors

From: Belov, Charles <Charles.Belov@sfmta.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:27:36 -0800
Message-ID: <E17F75B6E86AE842A57B4534F82D0376CD2526@MTAMAIL.muni.sfgov.org>
To: "Aryeh Gregor" <Simetrical+w3c@gmail.com>
Cc: <www-style@w3.org>
simetrical@gmail.com [mailto:simetrical@gmail.com] Aryeh Gregor wrote on
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:30 PM
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Belov, Charles 
> <Charles.Belov@sfmta.com> wrote:
> > My concern here from an accessibility viewpoint is that semantic (u 
> > tag) and non-semantic (text-decoration: underline) uses of 
> underline 
> > are being conflated.
> 
> Are you suggesting that the use-case of a purely 
> presentational WYSIWYG editor is not legitimate because it's 
> harmful to accessibility?  If not, I don't understand the 
> relevance of what you're saying.  If you are saying that, 
> well, I have to say I disagree, and apparently so do the 
> implementers of every major browser, because that's exactly 
> what contenteditable/execCommand() are meant to support.

No, I was suggesting that <span style="text-decoration: 
underline"> and <u> not be considered interchangeable.
 
> Also, <u> is actually not a semantic element by anyone's standards.
> It's not currently valid HTML5.  Some people are trying to 
> get it re-added as valid, but even then it's clearly just 
> going to be a shorthand for <span style="text-decoration: 
> underline">, not an element that has any meaning outside of a 
> visual presentation.

Noted and thank you.  I'll follow up with this on the appropriate HTML5
list.

Hope this helps,
Charles Belov
SFMTA Webmaster
 
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