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Re: Lists tests

From: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:21:54 -0800
Message-ID: <CAAWBYDDwJZLsypY6t3yxAFWSPEx262YmFB4RQNvoZFGiTODhWg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
Cc: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, "public-i18n-core@w3.org" <public-i18n-core@w3.org>
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp> wrote:
>> 1. The current impls for hiragana and katakana "include ゐ and ゑ before
>> を and ん at the end of the basic sequence".  Which is correct - the implementations or the
>> spec?
>
> I say the spec is the correct one.
>
> The two letters existed in traditional use, but they're no longer allowed in school text any longer since around 1946 as per the Ministry of Education. Both opinions existed when I discussed this in Japanese ML, but agreement was to prefer not to include them as more than 50 years has passed since they're gone from school text, and OOXML/ECMA-376[1] does not include them.
>
>> 2. Similar question for hiragana-iroha and katakana-iroha, as the spec "includes a ん at
>> the end that is not in the implementations".  Which behavior is correct?
>
> This is yet another ambiguity, and I say the spec is correct again.
>
> Iroha is a Japanese poem more than 1,000 years ago, which uses each Hiragana exactly once[2] except "ん". So if you follow the poem, it does not include "ん", but to count something, it does. "ん" is included in school text.
>
> Again, the discussion concluded to prefer to follow to what kids learn at school these decades and also to OOXML/ECMA-376.
>
> [1] http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroha

Excellent, thanks Koji!

(Also, I didn't realize that the Iroha pattern came from a Japanese
pangram.  That's awesome!)

~TJ
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