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RE: [css3-backgrounds] Should a non-zero border-radius create a new stacking context ?

From: Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:03:02 +0000
To: "robert@ocallahan.org" <robert@ocallahan.org>
CC: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <045A765940533D4CA4933A4A7E32597E2A510A50@TK5EX14MBXC113.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
What complexity would have been added for authors by creating new stacking contexts for overflow != visible ?

I'd argue the latter is what is actually expected by most, especially so when overflow == hidden. Having outside elements layer underneath the children of an element with overflow:hidden - never mind clipped children - is neither easy to explain nor is it common practice.



Not sure what we mean by 'reasonable behavior'. Reasonable for authors or implementors ?



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From: rocallahan@gmail.com [rocallahan@gmail.com] on behalf of Robert O'Callahan [robert@ocallahan.org]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:52 PM
To: Sylvain Galineau
Cc: Brad Kemper; www-style@w3.org
Subject: Re: [css3-backgrounds] Should a non-zero border-radius create a new stacking context ?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com<mailto:sylvaing@microsoft.com>> wrote:

I disagree that this adds complexity for authors; we can't argue that creating a stacking context for overflow != visible would have simplified things *and* that doing so in some cases makes them unacceptably harder. Especially when existing, heavily-used properties already do this.


Forcing stacking contexts for overflow != visible would have simplified things for implementors, and added complexity for authors. (Although I claim that special-casing border-radius + overflow-not-visible is more surprising than just special-casing overflow-not-visible.)


If the side effects of creating a new stacking context is so likely to break pages then opacity and transforms are equally problematic for authors. If so I'd like to see evidence that working around this is a common issue for authors; I'm not claiming such evidence does not exist btw. Pointers definitely welcome.

I do not claim that forcing a stacking context for border-radius + overflow-not-visible is likely to break existing pages.


 In the absence of said evidence, a cogent argument as to why taking this kind of risk is acceptable in some cases but not others - opacity is very heavily used, at least as much as border-radius if not more so - would be most helpful.

As I explained above, AFAIK the primary reason for making opacity < 1 force a stacking context is that it's impossible to define reasonable behavior otherwise. This is not a problem for border-radius + overflow-not-visible.

Rob
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