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RE: [CSS21] bidi, text-align, and list markers

From: Tex Texin <textexin@xencraft.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:03:41 -0700
To: "'CE Whitehead'" <cewcathar@hotmail.com>, <shachar@shemesh.biz>, <adil@diwan.com>
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I thought the footnote example was reasonable.

 

However, if bullets are only follow one direction, it can cause confusion.
(Might be unavoidable.)

For example, the footnote example confused me a bit because I wasn’t sure if
the ending periods were bullets or not.

 

If the chosen direction is RTL, then it might be confusing to have LTR
items:

 

                                                                        Item
1

                                                                        Item
2

A long multiline item that wraps perhaps 3

                       And so this item and the next 4

                                        items are now unclear.

 

I am trying to show that the 4 could be a bullet number or could be part of
the wrapped phrase “next 4 items”.

 

Having multiple directions also makes sublists more complex…

 

tex

 

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[mailto:public-i18n-bidi-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of CE Whitehead
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Subject: RE: [CSS21] bidi, text-align, and list markers

 

Hi,
 
I really think that the behavior for rtl items and bullet alignment in an
ltr list will be the same throughout the list -- thus,
neither:
* hello
  OLLEH *
                                                 OLLEH *


nor:
* hello
  OLLEH                                                *
                                                 OLLEH *


makes any sense to me.
 
Sorry.  (Wish I could make some sense out of it.)  But . . . 

 
Best wishes,
 
C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com 
 

  _____  


Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:58:39 +0300
From: shachar@shemesh.biz
To: adil@diwan.com
CC: aharon@google.com; addison@lab126.com; jackalmage@gmail.com;
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Subject: Re: [CSS21] bidi, text-align, and list markers

Adil Allawi wrote: 




On 05/06/2010 15:49, Shachar Shemesh wrote: 

4. <li style="text-align:match-parent; bullet-align:match-dir">HELLO gives:

* hello
  OLLEH *
 
  

Shouldn't that be:

* hello
  OLLEH                                *
?

Good question! I think it should not. Either the bullet should align with
the main bullet alignment or the text. In theory one could specify your
example with a value bullet-align:right but I think it is better to have a
use-case to show that such formatting is needed.

So you are saying that a three bullets list should look:
* hello
  OLLEH *
                                                 OLLEH *
?

I think:
* hello
  OLLEH                                                *
                                                 OLLEH *

makes more sense.

Shachar

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Shachar Shemesh
Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd.
http://www.lingnu.com <http://www.lingnu.com/> 
Received on Sunday, 6 June 2010 03:04:49 GMT

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