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[CSSWG] Minutes and Resolutions 2010-12-08

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:54:38 -0800
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To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>

   - RESOLVED: Clarify that fantasai's response to PFWG's comment on css3-background
               is official.
   - LC on Fonts WG's WOFF: http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/
   - LC on WebAPI WG's Progress Events: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/
   - Reviewed status of CSS2.1 Test Suite
   - Telecons cancelled for the holidays: 29th
   - RESOLVED: Make it undefined in CSS2.1 whether forced break before first page
               creates a :first page or a blank page

====== Full minutes below ======

   David Baron
   Bert Bos
   Arron Eicholz
   Elika Etemad
   Simon Fraser
   Daniel Glazman
   Koji Ishii
   John Jansen
   Håkon Wium Lie
   Chris Lilley
   Peter Linss
   Daniel Weck (late)
   Steve Zilles

<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-CSS-irc
Scribe: fantasai


   glazou: One extra agenda item from ChrisL
   glazou: anything else?

CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders

   glazou: What is the status of css3-background?
   fantasai: I don't know.
   glazou: Were there comments from other WGs that weren't responded to?
   fantasai: Not that I know of. Certainly not from PFWG -- those were
             responded to.
   ChrisL summarizes the situation.
   ChrisL: We have a timeline of what happened posted to our WG list,
           but nothing has been communicated to PFWG yet.
   Bert: I see that fantasai already added the issue to the DoC.
   Bert: I don't have a date yet for the telecon with the director.
   Bert: I'm not sure what else we do?
   glazou: If we have nothing to do that's fine, I just wanted a short report.
   ChrisL: I was saying, we have our story straight, but we haven't
           communicated back to WAI-PF
   Bert: So sounds like we should have a resolution to affirm fantasai's response
   <ChrisL> yes lets clarify the official position
   RESOLVED: fantasai's reply is official
   ACTION Glazman: send response
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-279 - Send response to WAI PF [on Daniel Glazman - due 2010-12-15].
   fantasai: Does this mean that every time PFWG sends a comment, if my
             response is a clarifying question to them, we need a group
             resolution that the response is official before they will reply?
   Bert: Yes.
   ChrisL notes that Tracker can now have cross-wg issues
   <ChrisL> got a link to the timeline?
   <Bert> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010Dec/0004.html
          Fantasai's timeline of the WAI issue

WOFF Last Call WD

   <glazou> http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/
   ChrisL: LC on WOFF
   ChrisL: We have tried to keep WOFF orthogonal with CSS
   ChrisL: But it would be nice to get comments from someone in this WG
           not on the Fonts WG
   ChrisL: Even if the comment is "no comment"
   ACTION glazou: review WOFF
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-278 - Review WOFF  [on Daniel Glazman - due 2010-12-15].

Progress Events

   <glazou> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/progress/
   glazou: LC comments due Jan 13
   ACTION everyone: review and send comments on WebAPI Progress Events draft

CSS2.1 Test Suite

   glazou: Chris, I saw you sent a message about Prince an hour ago
   ChrisL: I ran all the paged media tests and the tests that don't have
           two passes
   ChrisL: About 250 tests
   howcome: Excellent work.
   <howcome> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2010Dec/0117.html

   fantasai: I still haven't made it through all the issues reported against
             the test suite
   <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/harness/results?s=CSS21_%HTML_RC3&t=0&f[]=1&f[]=4&f[]=8&f[]=16
   fantasai: It's the only thing I'm working on, though, so I can't go any
   howcome: Chris's results haven't been imported yet
   Peter: ChrisL, I sent you a link that shows the tests that are needed in
          the order that they're needed
   Peter: It's the same way as entering data for browsers, except it overrides
          the UA string to say it's Prince
   <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/harness/testcase?s=CSS21_HTML_RC3&u=435&o=1
   <plinss_> http://test.csswg.org/harness/testcase?s=CSS21_XHTML_RC3&u=435&o=1
   Peter: If you use either of these to URLs, it will show tests in the order
          most needed for Prince.
   Peter: wrt broken lists in the page there, it's because the harness doesn't
          know there's one test suite with two formats
   Peter: It thinks there are two test suites, and I just had it allow
          wildcards in the test suite names
   Peter: Once I get reftest support in the harness, I'll work on that
   Peter: The harness says that 80 tests need additional results, and may or
          may not have two passes when we import Prince's results
   Peter: 26 tests with blocking failures means one or more engines need to
          fix their bugs to get passes
   <glazou> http://test.csswg.org/harness/results?s=CSS21_HTML_RC3&t=0&f[]=1&f[]=4&f[]=8&f[]=16

   arron: Maybe we should do another RC just to get the updated tests out there
   fantasai: I can push another release out today. What's blocking me is
             fixing the rest of the tests.
   arronei: Let's just publish RC4, and fix the rest for RC5
   ACTION fantasai: publish RC4 asap, push remaining fixes to RC5
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-280

Holiday Schedule

   glazou: Question related to the schedule: Who is going to be away during
           the holiday season?
   <szilles> I will be away from the 22nd thru 3rd of Jan
   plinss_: HP officially shuts down from 22nd to Jan 3rd. I won't be going
   <dbaron> I'll be on the east coast for a bit, but will likely be able to
            call in.
   fantasai: I'll be flying on the 22nd, but available on the 29th
   <johnjan> I'll be offline from the 20th - 3rd
   <oyvind> (I'll be offline, including 29th)
   <sylvaing> I'll be out Christmas week.
   arronei: I'm going to be around until the end of the year, so should be
            able to address any MS comments
   arronei: Will do impl report with new RC soon as well
   <Bert> I'm unavailable on 22 and 29, and almost certainly also on 5.
   Telecon cancelled on the 29th

CSS2.1 :first Page Selectors After Page Break

   howcome: I had an action point to look into a test
   howcome: first-page-selectors-003
   <howcome> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010Nov/0421.html
   howcome: It would be good to resolve whether it is valid
   howcome: It's not clear right now.
   howcome: We may want it to be valid
   howcome: But we'd have to change the spec slightly
   howcome: Question is if you force a break before the first page, is
            the first actual page selected by :first?
   oyvind thinks the first page that is not printed should match :first
   howcome: It's more useful if you select something that's there.
   howcome: I think it makes more sense to select the first thing that's printed
   howcome: But if we are to do that, we probably need to change CSS2.1
   <oyvind> I have no strong opinions on what it should match, but I think
            the spec needs to be clarified
   fantasai: It would be a clarification -- the spec right now is quite vague
   fantasai: This was certainly the intent in CSS3 Paged Media. There is no
             other way to specify whether the first page is a left or right page
   johnjan: I'd like a day or two to make sure Alex is comfortable with it
   howcome: What we're putting here is really a hack to say whether the
            first page is :left or :right
   Bert: I've used forced page breaks to create a blank first page
   glazou: Both interpretations are useful; but we have to pick one
   fantasai: We could leave this undefined for 2.1
   howcome: I think we might have trouble finding implementations
   arronei: They all currently fail
   RESOLVED: Make it undefined whether forced break before first page creates
             a :first page or a blank page
   ACTION fantasai: Propose wording
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-281
   ACTION fantasai: move page-selector-003 and page-selector-004 to css3-page TS
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-282

   glazou: Anything else we can do on 2.1?


   glazou: Can anyone summarize? Are we reaching a consensus?
   Simon: I think we have to have Tab here. I don't think we have agreement
          between Brad and Tab yet
   glazou: I read a few of the proposals, and some of them declared as simple
           and easy just scared me
   Simon: Tab has an advantage in that he has a spec. I don't quite understand
          Brad's propsal well enough to know whether I can implement it.
   Steve: We seem to be getting very complex in the backgrounds. Wouldn't it
          make more sense to generate images and be able to plug it in as a
   fantasai: we're doing that already ...?
   Simon: Backgrounds have more things to deal with, e.g. tiling
   Simon: If you rotate the image, do you also rotate the grid?
   Simon: Sounds complicated
   Steve: Tying the way images are processed to the way the grid is done seems
          like a problem.
   Simon: I don't think we're tying them together.
   Simon: Rick was suggesting rotation as an alternate way to have angled
   fantasai: The reason you want the angle information in the gradient itself
             is that it allows the gradient to be sized appropriately to the box
   Simon: I agree
   Simon: ... mailing list
   glazou: Anything else to discuss in the 8 remaining minutes?

Meeting closed.
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