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[CSSWG] Minutes and Resolutions Tokyo F2F Fri PM: @namespace, June F2F prep, Testing, Publications

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:26:26 -0700
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   - RESOLVED: duplicate @namespace declarations are nonconforming
   - RESOLVED: Update @namespace CR with this clarification

   - Discussed proposed topics for June F2F:
       - Comments from Multicol LC
       - GCPM should be updated, may have more issues
       - Reflecting font features into CSS
       - Test suites
       - Paged Media should be updated, may have more issues

   - Reviewed test review process, tweaked it to let reviewer note
     r+ by adding his/her name in the test metadata and checking in

   - RESOLVED: Publish 2D Transforms once Steve's note is properly added

====== Full minutes below ======

   David Baron
   John Daggett
   Elika Etemad
   Sylvain Galineau
   Chris Lilley
   Håkon Wium Lie
   Anne van Kesteren
   Mike Smith
   Steve Zilles

<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/06-css-irc
Meeting: Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) Working Group F2F Tokyo
Date: 05 March 2009
Chair: Chris

Scribe: jdaggett


   Anne: There's just one clarification we want to make to the spec before
   anne: duplicate clarifications are not conformant
   anne: after that change and we have two implementations
   anne: we can go to pr
   discussion of pr criteria
   anne: we have a full test suite
   chrisl: level of coverage?
   discussion of test failures
   anne: bugzilla bug exists
   discussion of exit criteria
   and whether can remove tests
   chrisl: no recs got published since i left the group
   discussion of specific bug mozilla is currently failing
   dbaron: test is wrong
   dbaron: has to due with url parsing bug
   dbaron: hmmm, maybe the bug does exist
   chrisl browbeats dbaron
   dbaron resists valiantly
   anne: waiting for implementations to pass
   <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Namespace/current/syntax-013.xml
   <dbaron> is the test that fails in Gecko
   quiet falls upon the room...
   friday afternoon haze methinks
   MikeSmith busy computing pi to 5000 digits
   correction: anne states duplication declarations are not conformant
   chrisl: agreement?
   RESOLVED: duplicate namespace declarations make content nonconforming
   Elika: Do we want to publish a new CR of namespaces with the one change?
   Chris: No point holding it back.
   ACTION: fantasai publish namespaces CR and Selectors LC

June f2f agenda

   howcome: multi-col should be into LC
   stevel: gcpm?
   howcome: yes
   stevel: how to reflect font features in css
   stevel: test suites?
   fantasai: working on draft of paged media

Reviewing Tests

   anne: what's issue with ms test suite?
   fantasai: getting them reviewed is the key
   howcome: can we get a demo of the test suite?
   <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
   fantasai showing tests suite
   <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review-checklist
   fantasai: managing test checks via mailing list
   <fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/
   <fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/svn-view/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/
   <fantasai> send mail to public-css-testsuite
   fantasai: build system will hopefully index metadata for tests
   fantasai: this should give us
   fantasai: a better understanding which tests fail
   howcome: who's server is this?
   fantasai: CSSWG. HP has donated the money, but it's under
             Peter's personal control
   howcome asking about tests
   howcome sparks up his irc client, gears spinning
   fantasai: svn view to figure out changes
   fantasai: build script to turn xhtml to html versions
   fantasai: after that i'll be tidying up, cron job to build
   sylvain: manpower issue
   discussion of format guidelines
   fantasai: Arron has a set of scripts written in C# that do a lot of checks;
             the CSS group does not have these.
   <ChrisL> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/Chapter_5/attribute-value-selector-004.xht
            not well formed
   <howcome> http://test.csswg.org/source/CSS2.1-test-suite/incoming/microsoft/Chapter_5/attribute-value-selector-004.xht
   fantasai: lots of work to do
   <ChrisL> it would be easy to pass all files through an xml parser and see
            which ones are nwf so they can be fixed
   fantasai: some tests not well-formed

   howcome: so what's the process here?
   anne: not clear when a test is approved
   fantasai: someone needs to review each test and confirm to mailing list
   <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Mar/
   howcome notes an error in markup
   howcome: we follow standards... ;)
   anne: reparsing a security issue
   <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-css-testsuite/2009Mar/0002.html
   sylvain: not sure when this is going to get completed
   fantasai: so, um..
   fantasai: can make a wiki page with links to tests
   fantasai: categorized by reviewed, not reviewed
   discussion of review process
   howcome now calculating pi to 6000 digits, one-uping MikeSmith
   dbaron proposing a process
   * anne just reached the end of pi
   chrisl: check out test, confirm, twiddle tasty bits in test file, check
           back in
   fantasai: need mailing list post
   * shepazu tells anne to stop being irrational
   * jdaggett shepazu should be tucked into bed by now, no?
   * shepazu @jdaggett... at midnight? are you kidding?
   * jdaggett heh, night is young...
   fantasai, dbaron discussing whether to check-in vs. posting to mailing list
   fantasai: either way (patches or posting mail) is fine
   <fantasai> hey Melinda, just in time. We're discussing tests
   * anne retorts with http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/numb/pi-irr.html
   fantasai: svn view is web interface for checking who has done what
   <melinda> heh heh, I was just going to capture the log as I toddled off
             to bed, but I can hang out for a bit.

   fantasai: Arron wants to know when things change
   stevel: automatic checkin notification?
   dbaron: can we just do this via email?
   stevel: but for others outside the wg
   anne: for html5, several lists track changes
   dbaron: uh, not just tools, actually doing the work...
   fantasai: need meta element to note review
   discussion of meta format for review comment
   steve making a point
   anne commenting
   chrisl: i'm taking fonts chapter
   more process discussion
   fantasai about to speak
   everyone quiet in anticipation
   fantasai fiddling with keyboard
   chrisl assigning homework
   anne: chapter 4 syntax
   dbaron: 5, selectors
   <dbaron> chris: 15, fonts
   howcome: dbaron, 12
   stevel: 14
   <melinda> Uh, what homework is being assigned...?
   howcome: 13
   MikeSmith getting suckered into more work...
   MikeSmith: appendix d
   MikeSmith: media types 7
   fantasai: i'm doing Eira's bidi tests
   anne: hixie, 8-11
   howcome: bert, box model?
   me: fonts, 15
   howcome gives me a hard time

   fantasai: i updated review process with metatag format
   <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
   <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/format#reviewer
   fantasai demoing svn details
   howcome: melinda should do?
   <fantasai> svn co http://test.csswg.org/svn/ myfavdirectorynam
              to check out everything
   <howcome> Melinda: we're signing up for CSS 2.1 tests to review
   <melinda> Yeah!
   <howcome> Melinda: each person in the room has picked a chapter
   melinda is working on print, 13
   fantasai: ^
   <melinda> But I need a reviewer (thanks, Hakon!)
   <fantasai> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html
   <fantasai> Recommended reading ^
   <fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/css2.1/review
   i'll do chap. 6
   <howcome> Melinda: is it possible to put the tests on the same server
            as where the MS tests are? Or, should I look somewhere else?
   <fantasai> http://test.csswg.org/
   <melinda> I've been moving some to the csswg site, and I'll try to get
             the rest moved over next week.
   <fantasai> melinda: Are you putting them in
              http://test.csswg.org/svn/submitted/css2.1/page/ ?
   <melinda> yes

   steve: asks for pointers on the wiki page
   chrisl: agenda item, go over tests in june f2f
   chrisl: complete test reviews by start of april?
   chrisl: review test suite status at beginning of april
   <sylvaing> the msft test suite site also allows you to navigate your tests
              by properties/rules if that helps :
   <anne> rel="reviewer" is now provisionally registered:

Transforms Publication

ScribeNick: dbaron
   Elika: SVG WG wants us to publish transforms on the same day as ???,
          so we have a combined news item.
   howcome: what was the compromise?
   Steve: Dean and I agreed on a paragraph.
   Steve: [reads paragraph]
   <fantasai> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-2d-transforms/
   howcome: I think the second role (layout-affecting transforms) should
            be in a separate spec, since it's so different.
   Steve: It's all the same properties.
   Anne: No need to discuss this now.
   Anne: Just agree on the text and whether to publish Wednesday.
   Elika: The text you read isn't in the draft.
   Steve: Hmm, he said he'd put this in in mail to me on 23 Feb.
   Chris: Last modification of that draft is 18 Feb.
   ACTION: Bert to put text from
           into css3-2d-transforms and request publication.
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