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Re: [css3-layout] Issues/suggestions for Template Layout Module

From: Giovanni Campagna <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:55:51 +0200
Message-ID: <65307430904280755l7df95d45yeeb7c40b221fbf8c@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Cc: Bert Bos <bert@w3.org>, www-style@w3.org
2009/4/28 Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Giovanni Campagna
> <scampa.giovanni@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/4/28 Bert Bos <bert@w3.org>:
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Some examples have suggested that template slots deal with borders
>>>> and padding the same way table cells do, but this may not be quite
>>>> clear enough. So I would recommend adding at least one more example
>>>> with expected rendering of a template with various combinations of
>>>> paddings, borders, margins applied to slot elements.
>>>
>>> The main purpose of the template was to position elements, not to add any
>>> new decorations. Some people asked for backgrounds on slots. They were easy
>>> to specify and don't influence the layout, so they were added. But borders
>>> are much harder. The borders in the draft are only set on elements, not on
>>> slots. Unless there is a convincing case for adding more borders than there
>>> are elements, I prefer to keep the templates as simple as possible...
>>
>> Actually, you need borders as soon as you put more elements inside the
>> slot, and you want a border/padding covering the whole slot without
>> using additional elements.
>> You can fake it setting border-top on the first element, border-bottom
>> on the last and left / right on elements in the middle, but I'm not
>> sure that is the way to go (you most of time need additional classes /
>> IDs for those elements).
>> This also applies if you have a template row/column greater than the
>> element inside the slot, and you want to align borders between slots.
>
> Giovanni got it in one.  Both of those are exactly my reasons for
> wanting borders on slots (and padding).  The draft essentially creates
> a phantom container element, and I want to be able to *style* that
> container!

I forgot "display" (for values "table", "block" and "box") and "columns" too.

>> Summing up, I think that the following properties should be allowed
>> for ::slot: padding, border (including border-image), position (only
>> relative) and top/left/right/bottom/z-index, page break related
>> properties (to avoid breaking rows/columns).
>
> Can you expand on that last one?  I understand the rest, but can't
> quite get what you'd use the page-break properties for.

I may don't want to break inside a row, like what happens for
table-cells (that are never broken), and I cannot set
page-break-inside on the actual elements, because the UA may split
between two consecutive blocks (unless I set page-break-before /
page-break-after, but I get the same problem as border, ie I need to
find the first and the last in the slot)

>> Also I would like to see allowed by Selectors Level 4 the combinations
>> ::slot(a)::before and ::slot(a)::after, to insert text inside slots,
>> without inserting it into elements (that may have border / padding)
>
> Wouldn't work - ::before and ::after are siblings to their superior
> parent.  You'd need ::inside first (and have it applicable to ::slot).

No. ::before and ::after are inside their superior, before and after
actual content of the element

(I made the same mistake once)

> ~TJ
>

Giovanni
Received on Tuesday, 28 April 2009 14:56:32 GMT

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