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Re: CSS3 @font-face / EOT Fonts - new compromise proposal

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:31:21 +0000 (UTC)
To: Dave Singer <singer@apple.com>
Cc: www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0811120026460.1041@hixie.dreamhostps.com>

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Dave Singer wrote:
> At 0:06  +0000 12/11/08, Ian Hickson wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Dave Singer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On the 'serving' side, we are looking for an indication in the 
> > > > > font that shows whether it's freely usable or not.
> > > >
> > > > It's unclear that we should be looking for this, unless knowing 
> > > > this solves a user or Web developer problem. Does it?
> > > 
> > > I think it's that we have to admit that both restricted-use and free 
> > > fonts may exist, and those making restricted-use fonts want there to 
> > > be some indications and support for the restrictions
> > 
> > I agree that this is the case.
> > 
> > My question is, why do we care? We should be caring about the needs of 
> > the users and Web developers above all else. And it doesn't seem to me 
> > that there is a problem faced by these constituencies that is solved 
> > by making the technology work less well for those constituencies.
> 
> I *think* the argument is that it makes things better for web designers 
> and users, because if there is some handling of restricted-use fonts 
> with which the font foundries are comfortable, they'll allow web use of 
> their commercial fonts by said designers and for said users, which is 
> desirable.  I think.

In that case, I propose that instead of the font foundries making the 
browser vendors implement a DRM-like scheme, the browser vendors make the 
font foundries who are interested in entering the Web market do the same 
as stock photo companies, namely, trust their customers to follow the law, 
and use the law to defend any violations.

Some font foundries have already shown that they are willing to create 
fonts available under free software licenses, let alone restrictive 
no-sharing licenses, for the right price. We, the browser vendors and the 
standards community, should not have to prop up the font vendors' 
businesses just because they are scared of their customers.

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