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Re: Inappropriate use of pseudo-HTML

From: Brad Kemper <brkemper@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:15:10 -0800
Message-Id: <0AF8ED98-A678-4806-B69E-B00847E56602@comcast.net>
Cc: www-style <www-style@w3.org>
To: "Philip Taylor (Webmaster)" <P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk>

Apparently. I am not hand coding the HTML of my messages. I have not  
had many problems with other e-mail clients reading my messages,  or  
of turning them into plain text. Talk to Apple if you don't like the  
code they generate. They probably do it the way they do because of  
the poor ability of many popular e-mail clients to read style sheets.

On Jan 24, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster) wrote:

> Brad, you may [receive] "HTML from third
> party vendors (which has already been mashed
> together from the work of "Bob" and several others)"
> and this "HTML itself [may often be] the product of
> a huge code base written in Java or something-dot-NET
> by people who are generally clueless about what
> constitutes good HTML" but do you really have to send
> your e-mails in equally execrable "HTML-ese" ?
>
> Philip TAYLOR
> --------
> <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode:  
> space; =
> -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">
> <br><div><div>On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:10 AM, David Dorward wrote:</ 
> div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote  
> type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
> type=3D"cite"><p style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font =
> face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px  
> Helvetica">BK&gt; As =
> someone who typically hand-codes pages, I find such pages</font></ 
> p> <p =
> style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
> size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">BK&gt; reprehensible and =
> extremely difficult to edit.</font></p> </blockquote><p  
> style=3D"margin: =
> 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: =
> 14.0px"><br></p> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><p style=3D"margin: 0.0px =
> 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"  
> style=3D"font: =
> 12.0px Helvetica">Excuse me, for what are you editing these pages =
> ?</font></p> </blockquote><p style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px  
> 0.0px; =
> font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><br></p> <p  
> style=3D"margin: =
> 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
> style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">The usual case is: "Bob worked for =
> Corporation. Bob wrote pages with presentational gubbins littered =
> through the HTML. Bob left Corporation. I joined Corporation. I  
> have to =
> work on updating the site created by Bob."</font></p> =
> </blockquote></div><br><div>Yes. And in my case, I often have to =
> incorporate HTML from third party vendors (which has already been  
> mashed =
> together from the work of "Bob" and several others).=A0</ 
> div><div><br =
> class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Sometimes I get to  
> edit =
> some of the HTML directly, or request small changes, but oftentimes  
> my =
> role is to write the style sheets for the HTML of others. The HTML =
> itself is often the product of a huge code base written in Java or =
> something-dot-NET by people who are generally clueless about what =
> constitutes good HTML (and unfortunately for me, "good HTML" =A0is  
> not a =
> criteria for selecting vendors). There are sometimes sections within =
> that HTML that were inserted from some other library or something,  
> and =
> pages that were clearly written at a different author at a different =
> time (and use different conventions for class names and =
> such).=A0</div><div><br =
> class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br></div><div><br =
> class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br =
> class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></body></html>=
Received on Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:15:31 GMT

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