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Re: @media and browsers conditional statments

From: Alan Gresley <alan@css-class.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:45:44 +1000
Message-ID: <48A1A218.6010303@css-class.com>
To: François REMY <fremycompany_pub@yahoo.fr>
CC: CSS 3 W3C Group <www-style@w3.org>

François REMY wrote:

> From: "Alan Gresley" <alan@css-class.com>

>> I am very aware of IE hacks for special style rules. Using the 
>> precedent of hacking around a *buggy IE* is not the same as the *few 
>> CSS bugs* in other browsers. When dealing with the versions of IE 
>> garbage CSS is often required to get around some weird IE bug 
>> behavior. If IE doesn't respond to garbage CSS then we just have to 
>> avoid particular CSS and layouts.
> Sorry, but they are not *few CSS bugs*.
> They are more CSS bugs than you think.

I quite aware of this François, I and many others have demonstrated 
them. That's why I said in my first reply [1] to this thread this.

"Adding additional complexity to CSS (via sniffing) does not get around
issues of flawed logic in CSS2.1, CSS3 or undefined behaviors."

What I mean by this is that the present of CSS bugs demonstrate the 
flawed logic which is the CSS spec.

> And stop consider that hacking is for IE only. It's false. Other 
> browsers have
> also some inconsitences. Not as much as in IE5/6/7 but they exists, you can
> trust me. And when you make your sites "by hand", you encounter theses very
> often.

I don't have to trust you. I have online and offline many different 
hacks. I have created quite a few of them (one for Webkit).


I just don't advertised it since I don't believe in using them and I 
don't believe authors should have to contend with having to send two or 
more sets of style rules just to use CSS.

Alan http://css-class.com/

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's 
character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln
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