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RE: "non-zero top border" in 8.3.1

From: Alex Mogilevsky <alexmog@exchange.microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:41:23 -0700
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, "L. David Baron" <dbaron@dbaron.org>
CC: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <04F36FB4ED0F85459AA447F72711526F01073BBA9394@DF-GRTDANE-MSG.exchange.corp.microsoft.com>

I agree we have to be careful when making late changes. I agree updating tests is also a factor to take into account.

I am not buying the argument that it shouldn't be changed because the spec is written 8 years ago. The whole reason the spec stayed in a draft for a long time is because it takes time to analyze it to finest detail and find all issues. This is one of them.

I am also not sure what you mean by lowering respect from implementers for CSS working group. It is the implementers who proposing this change.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Ian Hickson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:59 AM
>
>  * That we don't know what this change will imply. I think it would be
>    better to wait for a wider and more detailed study of the side
> effects
>    of this change before we go in and start poking at what was
> previously
>    assumed to be very stable text.
>
>  * That the previous text hasn't been given adequate time for
> implementors
>    to attempt to implement it.
>
>  * That repeatedly changing such complicated parts of the spec will
>    continue to make the CSS working group look incompetent.
>
>  * That this change would further lower the respect that implementors
> have
>    in the CSS working group, leading to the standards getting ignored.
>
>  * That if we make this change, it could be interpreted by the
> community
>    as being an admission that fundamental changes are again fair game,
>    which could lead to rather unwelcome pressure being put on the
> group.
>
>  * That it is FAR too late (by years) to be making changes to
> previously
>    agreed text.
>
>
> BTW, if this section does change, someone should take the
> responsibility
> for updating all the margin collapsing tests:
>
>    http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/css/box/block/margin-collapse/
>
> (I certainly won't have time to do it; I'd estimate it would take a
> margin
> collapsing expert somewhere in the region of two weeks of solid work to
> actually go through each test and verify that it is still correct.)
>
> --
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> .;.'
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