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RE: BR element and generated content

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:15:09 +0000 (UTC)
To: Alex Mogilevsky <alexmog@exchange.microsoft.com>
Cc: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, Markus Mielke <mmielke@windows.microsoft.com>, Saloni Mira Rai <salonir@microsoft.com>, Arron Eicholz <Arron.Eicholz@microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0710122208000.19595@hixie.dreamhostps.com>

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007, Alex Mogilevsky wrote:
> I don't think this is just about BR.
> My reasoning for defining BR behavior is like this:
> * BR is defined in HTML as an empty element. It can't have any content.

That's just an authoring requirement. It's trivial to add content to a 
<br> element, either using XML, or via the DOM:

   var br = document.createElement('br');

> * Then a rule like
>         br:before { content:'\A' }
>   puts content inside BR.
> * But at this point I don't know what to do with it, since BR must be 
> empty. It is not valid to have content inside it, and if it manages to 
> get some what is it supposed to do with it?

Just treat BR elements the same as any random inline element. The fact 
that <br> elements can't have content is the same as the way that <ul> 
elements can only contain <li> elements -- but that doesn't stop browsers 
handling arbitrary content in <ul> elements. From a CSS point of view, all 
elements apart from replaced elements are the same.

> Same issue applies to all other elements which either empty or have 
> special rendering rules, e.g.
> <img>, <hr>, <tr> or <iframe>.

<img> in CSS3 could be similar to <br>:

   img { content: attr(src, url), attr(alt); }
   br { content: "\A"; white-space: pre; }

<tr> is not special at all, it just has display: table-row and renders 
according to the table model.

<hr> and <iframe> are special from a CSS point of view. <hr> is especially 
special. <iframe> is just a replaced element whose content comes from a 
DOM property (contentWindow) instead of an attribute. Note that <iframe> 
in HTML does contain contents, you just ignore them when rendering.

> Try the attached example with different browsers and you'll see wildly 
> different effect.

Generated content's interaction with form controls is underdefined. 
However, generated content's interaction with table elements is well 
defined, and I see no reason why its interaction with <img> and <br> can't 
be well-defined too, especially if we go the proposed route with defining 
those elements using 'content' on the elements.

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