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Re: CSS Selectors: How to style non-styleable?

From: Mihai Sucan <mihai.sucan@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 23:17:53 +0200
To: "Andrew Fedoniouk" <news@terrainformatica.com>, www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <op.s57ur3gomcpsjg@localhost.localdomain>

Le Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:27:54 +0200, Andrew Fedoniouk  
<news@terrainformatica.com> a écrit:

> There are situations when we need to define styles
> of sub-elements of some DOM element.
> Such sub-elements are not parts of the DOM so exsting selectors
> cannot be applicable to them.

The follow-up to my incomplete email (sorry!):

1. Provide DOM elements for scrollbars and for all "hidden" elements.


This should be available to any scrollable element (with overflowing  
content), be it body, a div, a textarea or a <select>.

These scroll to top / bottom.

Each returns an integer: the maximum scrollable area (X or Y axis).

.goto(x, y)
.gotoX(x), .gotoY(y)
Each scrolls to x and y, where x and y are the pixels.


All of these could be DOMScroll defined as ... something along these lines:

.activate() - performs the action (similar to clicking), only for up,  
down, left and right "elements".

Each of them with class names: scrollUp, scrollDown, scrollLeft,  
scrollRight, scrollHandleY, scrollHandleX, scrollBackground.

Scripts should be able to set IDs to any of these elements (authors could  
specifically style a scrollbar element in a way they want).

Almost all normal styling properties can apply to these elements:  
backgrounds, colors, and even positioning - scrollbars could be positioned  
different (it's up to the imagination of the designer).

CSS selectors could "see" the scrollbars of each element... as child  
nodes. For example:

body > div > .scrollUp

Pros: Scrollbars can be dynamically manipulated via DOM (IDs, class names,  

Cons: looks like a hack.

2. Another proposal is pure CSS:

/* scrollDown/scrollLeft/scrollRight/scrollHandle/scrollBackground */
	color: #000;
	background: url("img.png") #FFF;

Again, almost all styling properties could apply. Manipulation via DOM is  
not all lost with this approach (there's DOM 2 Style).

Pros: This is simple and straightforward. I'd go for an improved version  
of this, based on further comments, or even a combination with the method  
described above.

Cons: I don't like the usage of :pseudo-elements thing. Yet, things such  
as :scrollUp fall almost in the same category as :first-line and the rest.  
So, this might not be a problem at all.

Anyone has more ideas?

P.S. Apologies again for the previous incomplete message.

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Received on Friday, 10 March 2006 21:16:54 UTC

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