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Re: Selector for parent/predecessor?

From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@x-port.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:40:54 +0100
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To: www-style@w3.org


Your point was that the idea of authors not being trusted with
features that might be inefficient was "not a philospohy", as I had
been asserting, but "a fact", based on the many iefficient and ugly
web web pages and sites.

My response was simply that it is irrelevant whether people want to
produce good web sites or bad--that's up to them, and the job of
standards bodies should be to provide functionality to be used by
authors, not set themselves up as some kind of priesthood.

But I do agree that is rhetorical. :)



On 21/08/06, Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com> wrote:
> Mark Birbeck wrote:
> >> It's not a philosophy, it's just a fact. There are zillions of ugly
> >> pages (from a markup/css/js/php perspective), and "good" web sites
> >> are rare pearls. Even editing tools produce code that is ineffective.
> >
> > So? Who appointed the CSS gatekeepers judge and jury on what is
> > 'right' on the web?
> Oh come on, Mark, please, no rhetoric... With such questions, the
> HTML WG as it is today should have been dismantled 4 years ago
> when I started spotting out its incoherences, and when browser
> vendors stopped contributing to the specs because they disagreed
> with the general direction taken by the group.
> There is no gatekeeper. I joined the CSS WG in 1997, and there is not
> a single person in this group who never made an enhancement proposal.
> It's sometimes accepted, sometimes refused, and rarely by the same
> people. That's how compromises emerge, and you _perfectly_ know that.
> We are not the Keepers of the Temple, we only try to make the specs
> we author implementable, implementable in a reasonnable time,
> implementable by all. When an implementor has a good argument against
> something or in favor of something, we listen to him/her. And sometimes
> agree, sometimes disagree.
> Overall, and during those nine years, the CSS WG has accepted
> MUCH more suggestions than it refused suggestions.
> It's only a human world, after all.
> </Daniel>

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