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Re: [css3-ui] Problems with :read-only and :read-write

From: Laurens Holst <lholst@students.cs.uu.nl>
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:13:08 +0200
Message-ID: <42EF8D84.7090900@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>, www-style@w3.org

Orion Adrian schreef:
> This is a fun discussion and all but doesn't it just reek a little bit
> of pointlessness. And I'm not talking about read-write, but the desire
> to apply non-layout properties to form elements. The application isn't
> saying where to put the element anymore, it's now saying what to color
> it, what keyboard access to give it and so on. This breaks about an
> ungodly number of accessibility guidelines and a lot of design
> guidelines that say, don't do things differently than the rest of the
> operating system, but here we are, giving web designers the capability
> to again abuse the content viewers, the users as it where, of these
> web pages.
> I also find it all a bit silly when we're talking about this since
> XForms abstracts just a bit the exact widgets used when it encounters
> the various XForm model elements.
> What I guess I'm getting at is that CSS-UI is a really bad idea that
> shouldn't have even been suggested much less spec'd up. Don't mess
> with the OS's ability to interact with the user. Each OS is already
> tailored to it's user base and it doesn't need CSS to give the power
> to authors and not the users.

Nonsense. So we should allow the page author to give his website his own 
design, but once he starts using form controls, not allow it? Do you 
think a page author wants a standard white-background OS text field on 
his carefully designed black-backgrounded website? Of course he doesn’t, 
and of course it doesn’t make sense to prevent him from doing so.

In the contrary, I would even say not allowing that can lead to negative 
side-effects! Because the styling of form controls could not be 
modified, the author might resort to a Javascript solution.

You’ve made your point a number of times now, however the web is not the 
OS and page authors *want* to be able to modify styling of a page to 
e.g. establish brand identity or even just for fun.

Stating over and over again that you want everything to inherit the OS 
its default styling and layout (just disable CSS - you have what you 
want) is not going to help, and certainly not going to change CSS.


Ushiko-san! Kimi wa doushite, Ushiko-san nan da!!
Received on Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:14:04 UTC

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