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Re: Parent pseudo-containers - a method for seperation of content from design

From: Emrah BASKAYA <emrahbaskaya@hesido.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 01:00:28 +0300
To: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <opsotze2qc8nstxa@lomarnona>


>> Many times, to design layouts, we depend on nested divs. The nesting is
>> not necessarily semantic, and is just to serve the layout. So this is
>
> It seems to me that you are straying out of the scope of CSS into the
> the scope of XSL.
>

Thanks for noticing to say the least.

I think the scope of CSS should be total seperation of content from  
design. It is good to know I can change the blue background to green  
anytime I want using CSS for the whole site, but when I want my navigation  
bar displayed on the very top instead of the bottom in my liquid design  
(just an example, I am not that imaginative), CSS gives me no way to do  
this.

We'll have relatively complex feature such as move-to which asks the  
content to be placed later in the document, but I deem it only as a  
half-hearted attempt of seperation of content from style, and same goes  
for ::outside. If the browser can be asked with move-to to rearrange the  
flow in CSS3 with a very bad limitation, why not create a method for a  
total re-arranging with no limitations with a much simpler syntax that I  
outlined, that will help authors convert their old and fixed designs into  
liquid ones, and whatnot?

To illustrate what I proposed for the ones who hadn't took their time to  
read my long proposal:
With the method I describe, we could turn this:
+-----------+
|A          |
+-----------+
|B          |
|           |
+-----------+
|C      | D |
+-----------+

into this:
+-----------+
|A      | D |
+-----------+
|B          |
|           |
+-----------+
|C          |
+-----------+

Simply with CSS, and what's more, we would be able to apply this to *old  
css2 styled pages with excess styling markup*.

We could also turn this:

+----------------------------------+
|more important for visual browsers|
+----------------------------------+
|some content                      |
+----------------------------------+
|some more content                 |
+----------------------------------+
|more important for aural browsers |
+----------------------------------+

Into

+----------------------------------+
|more important for aural browsers |
+----------------------------------+
|some content                      |
+----------------------------------+
|some more content                 |
+----------------------------------+
|more important for visual browsers|
+----------------------------------+

only with CSS.

I urge anyone who haven't read the full description at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Apr/0058.html


-- 
Emrah BASKAYA
www.hesido.com
Received on Wednesday, 6 April 2005 22:00:39 GMT

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