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Re: Wrapping paragraphs around blocks

From: R.J.Koppes <rikkert@rikkertkoppes.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:50:32 +0200
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To: <www-style@w3.org>

I'd say wrapping p's lists tables and headings in a div is THE semantic way
to describe a chapter (or section)

nothing semantically incorrect about that. p is meant for text only. Note
that "paragraph" in this case is not a portion of a chapter (section) but a
block of text. In english language paragraph can be both, for dutch readers
(Bert, Laurens I guess): p is an "alinea", div is a "paragraaf".

The HTML 4 spec is a bit fuzzy about div, but in the HTML 3 spec it says "
DIV elements can be used to structure HTML documents as a hierarchy of
divisions. "

Note the word "hierarchy". The following is a nice example I guess:
<div>
  <h1>
  <p>
  <p>
  <ul>
  <div>
    <h2>
    <p>
    <p>
  </div>
</div>
See the structure? I recently wrote something about this:
http://www.rikkertkoppes.com/thoughts/about-div. Bottom line: div is not as
meaningless as one might think. Use it to make up chapters and subchapters

Rikkert Koppes


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" <wassercrats@hotmail.com>
To: <www-style@w3.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Wrapping paragraphs around blocks


>
> Laurens Holst wrote:
>
> > How long do you think it would take for CSS being actually implemented
in
> > browsers? I’d say it would take equally long. Semantically incorrect
HTML
> > is a direct solution. New CSS is a future solution, just like XHTML2.
>
> With the technique that I tried describing--using the floated spacer above
> the inset-block--I could get what I want semantically, and get good enough
> results, in my case, stylistically, so I have my temporary solution. There
> should be a CSS fix in the future because of the extra work this temporary
> solution requires, and because if I had a right border and little or no
> padding, the misalignment of the paragraphs would be more apparent.
>
> Kelly Miller made a timely suggestion in
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Apr/0001.html :
>
> "CSS needs a value for positioning that allows a page author to position
> an element like in absolute or fixed, but unlike them, the program
> displaying the page should treat it as if it were in the flow at the
> position where it was moved to."
>
> Such a feature might allow me to eliminate the spacer technique. Earlier
in
> this thread, at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2005Mar/0128.html , I
> mentioned that I tried the position property to create a space above my
list
> that paragraph text goes into:
>
> "I'm still not sure if position should work, but I know it doesn't."
>
>
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