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Re: Scrollbar Code

From: Charles Kendrick <charles@isomorphic.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:52:43 -0700
Message-ID: <3F62402B.1080208@isomorphic.com>
To: Jackie McGhee <jackie@jackiemcghee.info>
Cc: www-style@w3.org

That's a good point - but that's what "!important" rules in user stylesheets are for.

It is already possible for a designer to create problems for people with motor difficulties, poor 
visual resolution, partial or total colorblindness, etc.  I think the way to avoid this to educate 
designers about accessibility problems.  Arbitrary limits on what can and cannot be styled won't 
really help given that accessibility problems can be created anywhere by a designer who isn't aware 
of accessibility concerns.

Also, if I can't style the scrollbars, I can't offer novice users a high contrast / poor motor skills 
skin for my site or web application.  I'm not saying that just to say it, by the way.  Our product 
does offer skinnability, and we have had requests for a high-contrast skin.  At the moment we can 
accomodate that via our DHTML scrollbars, but not via plain CSS.

Jackie McGhee wrote:

> 
> 
> On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 09:07 PM, Charles Kendrick wrote:
> 
>  > You didn't take my point
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Another consideration is that users may have their scrollbars and other 
> widgets coloured, sized and configured for their needs in terms of 
> accessibility. People with motor difficulties may have them larger, 
> people with sight problems may have them coloured in a specific way 
> (e.g. high contrast colours). I don't think these folks would take too 
> kindly to you, me or any designer messing with THEIR scheme on THEIR 
> machine.
> 
> Once you touch browser chrome, you are into the user's desktop (or 
> wherever). I don't think we really belong there.
> 
> Jackie
> 
Received on Friday, 12 September 2003 17:53:46 GMT

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