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RE: Dependence on works in progress

From: Michel Suignard <michelsu@windows.microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:42:44 -0800
Message-ID: <84DD35E3DD87D5489AC42A59926DABE901032DB0@WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com>
To: "Etan Wexler" <ewexler@stickdog.com>, "Chris Lilley" <chris@w3.org>
Cc: <www-style@w3.org>

This probably does not apply in this case. CSS3 line is far from being a
Rec, and Unicode 4.0 will be a solid standard way before CSS3 line is
itself a rec.

Otherwise Etan point is sensible, although I would not put any
restrictions on non normative references. There are many variants on the
stability of a work in progress, and it would be a bad idea to ban them
in principle ('should not' word is in RFC 2119 term pretty strong). 

Furthermore when referencing normatively a standard that you know will
be updated shortly before your own spec becomes a Rec it is a good
principle to keep referencing the old version and give some leeway to
the editor to update the reference before publication. This happens all
the time in other standard organizations.

I don't think I'd like to see too much policy developed in this domain
and let WG and editors exercise their judgment in referencing other
standards or work in progress. It is nicely illustrated in the present
case as Unicode 4.0 is for all practical purpose a done deal and it
would be foolish to have the CSS3 rec reference an old version of the
standard.

Michel 

-----Original Message-----
From: Etan Wexler [mailto:ewexler@stickdog.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 3:14 AM
To: Chris Lilley
Cc: www-style@w3.org
Subject: Dependence on works in progress



Chris Lilley wrote to <mailto:www-style@w3.org> on 20 March 2003 in "Re:
Proposed Additions to list-style-type based on Unicode 4.0"
(<mid:17030163468.20030320095640@w3.org>):

> unaproved scripts should probably not be used in
> a CSS3 Rec.

I would like to generalize this suggestion and to elevate it to a
requirement. Please consider the following text.

A W3C Recommendation must not have any normative references to works in
progress. A W3C Recommendation should not have non-normative references
to works in progress.

I did not find a like-worded requirement anywhere. I suspect that one
exists in some Member-only document. I would appreciate a confirmation
or denial of this suspicion.

Clearly, the proposed policy would affect many Working Groups. I could
not, however, discover the proper forum to raise the issue with the W3C
at large. I hope that Chris or another person can direct me.
Received on Friday, 21 March 2003 12:42:54 GMT

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