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Re: Scrollbars In The Box Model

From: Yung-Fong Tang <ftang@netscape.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 16:08:10 -0700
Message-ID: <3E93565A.4070705@netscape.com>
To: Andy <aholmes84@shaw.ca>
CC: www-style@w3.org



Andy wrote:

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> fantasai wrote:
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>> Yung-Fong Tang wrote:
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>>> I suggest similar thing when I give feedback about the 
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-ui-20020802/
>>> We need to specify which side to put the scroll bar in a document. 
>>> Left or right? Arabic / Hebrew page need control about that.
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>> Scrollbar placement should not be controlled by CSS. It should be 
>> consistent
>> with all other applications on a given OS. If the OS displays 
>> scrollbars on
>> the right, then web page elements should also display scrollbars on 
>> the right.
>> To have it any other way would just confuse the user, since s/he will 
>> *expect*
>> it to be on the right. 
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Why?
Say I am using a English machine to read an English page, I should see 
the scrool bar in the right
If i am reading a Arabic page, I should see the scrool bar on the left 
because the page is right to left oriented.
However, for the case of a page, people may argue that the scroolbar 
belong to the application, instead of the page.
That is not really the case for frameset since in frameset the page 
could control to display the scroolbar or not.
The most needed case is the scroolbar for iframe. If I have a English 
page which have an iframe which contains a Arabic text in it. The the 
web author should decide which side the scrool bar should be placed next 
to the iframe.

If you do not agree me, consider you travle to Egypt and use the Egypt 
Windows belong to your friend which have all the scroolbar on the left, 
can you survive to use it to view English web page for a month?

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>> ~fantasai
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> My comment wasn't intended to determine whether the scrollbar would be 
> placed left or right (since scrollbars also appear on the bottom), but 
> where in the box model it's placed (ie. between the border-edge and 
> margin, between the padding-edge and border etc).
> Currently UA's place the scrollbar differently and this seems 
> something that should be changed.
>
> -Andy
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