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Re: SV: A possible presentational hints proposal for CSS 2.1

From: Darren Ferguson <darren@crystalballinc.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT)
To: Jan Eirik Olufsen <jaeioluf@online.no>
cc: www-style@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210101651370.6476-100000@thread.crystalballinc.com>

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Darren Ferguson

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Jan Eirik Olufsen wrote:

> Stop sending mail to me, IMMEDIATELY!!
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]Pa vegne
> av Coises
> Sendt: 10. oktober 2002 01:54
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> Emne: Re: A possible presentational hints proposal for CSS 2.1
> [Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:11:30 +0200] Rijk van Geijtenbeek:
> >For the record, in Mozilla 1, IE6 and Opera 6 (all on Windows):
> >
> >* <center> and <div align=center> are both overruled by {text-align:left} 
> >in all three browsers
> >* <i> is overruled by {font-style:normal} in all three browsers, 'font- 
> >style: italic' isn't
> >* <font color=blue> is only overruled by {color:black} in Opera, not in 
> >Mozilla and IE6
> >
> >
> >I'm not smart enough to describe this in a general rule :)
> The rule for IE and Mozilla appears to be that they follow the CSS 2
> specification (with the undocumented understanding that the presentational
> implications of elements are defined, wherever possible, by the user agent
> default style sheet; while, excepting the HREF and DIR attributes found in
> rules in the sample style sheet for HTML 4.0 in Appendix A, presentational
> implications of attributes are handled as "non-CSS presentational hints").
> The rule for Opera is that its implementation of the cascade is broken
> (and has been ever since the first version of Opera to implement CSS).
> You, Rijk, may see bug #14351 for further documentation.  For the benefit
> of others: Opera treats user style sheets as if they were @import-ed style
> sheets at the beginning of the author style sheet.  For example, given the
> following:
>      User style sheet:
>           BODY P {color: red}
>      Author style sheet:
>           P {color: green}
> CSS-conformant browsers render paragraphs green; Opera renders them red.
> This example is not affected by any of the proposed changes to the handling
> of "non-CSS presentational hints"; but the effects of the bug in Opera can
> make Opera appear (in sufficiently simple test cases) to conform to the
> specifications given in the current CSS 2.1 and CSS 3 proposals.

Darren Ferguson
Received on Thursday, 10 October 2002 16:55:17 UTC

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