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Re: A possible presentational hints proposal for CSS 2.1

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:51:12 +0000 (GMT)
To: Rijk van Geijtenbeek <rijk@iname.com>
Cc: "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210080137230.21381-100000@dhalsim.dreamhost.com>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Rijk van Geijtenbeek wrote:

> >  For HTML, any attribute that is not in the following list should be
> >  considered presentational: [...]
> 
> If you write the other list, it would be shorter:

The idea was to set the default to be presentational, since so many
attributes are non-standard, and all the non-standard ones are
presentational.


> I wonder why alink and vlink are presentational, but text and link are
> not. Especially as background and bgcolor are presentational.

Oversight. Good catch, thanks.


> I also question the inclusion of 'span' and 'start' in the
> presentational list. One could also argue about 'size' when applied to
> the select element.

The list was designed to put as much as possible into the presentational
list. Start was taken out of HTML strict, so it seems definitely
presentational. I could see an argument for the cell spanning attributes,
but as they map directly to proposed CSS3 properties... *shrug*


> >  For XHTML and other XML languages, no attribute should be considered
> >  presentational.
> 
> I assume this has something to do with the discouragement of these
> attributes in the long run, but some clarification would be nice.

Yep, as I said in my message earlier:

| ...the intention is to discourage the use of presentational markup on
| the long run. This proposal attempts to balance the need to allow
| legacy content to continue to interact correctly with user stylesheets
| while discouraging the use of presentational markup in the future.

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