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Re: Markup and layout (was: Float overflowing behavior)

From: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 20:58:14 +0200
Message-ID: <15706.43078.949490.226737@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
To: jeremy@dunck.us
Cc: www-style@w3.org

Also sprach Jeremy Dunck:

 > > The next time you're casually surfing the web, I invite you to make note
 > > of how many pages you encounter that are best described as primarily
 > > exhibiting markup/presentation (word processor) logic, and how many would
 > > be best represented as "page layout" designs.

 > I don't think that CSS is intended to be the end-all be-all for layout and 
 > presentation, but rather a vast improvement over the existing presentational 
 > HTML.

I agree.

 > I think that XSL-FO is intended to more completely address the problems 
 > which can't be addressed via a rule-based language.

I disagree. In order to do the kind of magazine/brochure page-layouts
we ofte seen attempted on the web, you need a system that takes glyph
shapes into account. It can probably be expressed as rules (or
constraints), but not at the box level where CSS and XSL-FO both work,
but rather on the stroke level of each glyph.

SVG gets you closer than any of the other W3C specifications.

-h&kon
              Håkon Wium Lie                          cto °þe®ª
howcome@opera.com                  http://people.opera.com/howcome
Received on Wednesday, 14 August 2002 15:09:28 GMT

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