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Re: Scrollbar CSS representation [Re: Proposal]

From: James Aylard <webmaster@pixelwright.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:54:36 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <001001c1456d$5eaea460$ce425142@xpsr400>
To: "Web style list" <www-style@w3.org>
Cc: "Etan Wexler" <ewexler@stickdog.com>
Etan,

> The scrollbar should always and ever be a product of the user agent.

    Why? Usability concerns might be a valid argument against it -- although
you didn't attempt to make that case. But if Mozilla, say, allows you to
completely customize the interface of the browser, why not be able to
separately customize the coloration of the scrollbar? It doesn't seem such a
ridiculous question to me.

> Both the original suggestion (the painfully ignorant "Internet
> Explorer accepts it so why not make it legal.") and the ostensible
> improvement are needless and baseless.

    Is it really necessary to belittle someone with whom you disagree as a
means of discrediting his argument? Although you may think it painfully
ignorant, there is an argument to be made in favor of common practice as a
basis for standardization. It might or might not be a compelling argument in
this case, but it is a valid one.
    "Needless" and "baseless" are value judgements for which you offer no
basis in argument. Why shouldn't the scrollbars be colored? What is so
sanctified about them that they should remain beyond the influence of CSS?
And if they are so sanctified, why should I be able to color the background
of a select element? Or the border of a button element? Or of any other
element of the browser, for that matter?
    The reasons don't seem so obvious to me...

James Aylard
Received on Thursday, 27 September 2001 18:37:48 GMT

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