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Re: Scrollbar CSS representation [Re: Proposal]

From: Vadim Plessky <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 22:54:11 +0000
To: Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi>
Cc: www-style@w3.org
Message-Id: <20010925185242.1527273DF@mtu.ru>
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:59, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
|   On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Zoltan Hawryluk wrote:
|   >Throughout the short history of the web, I have heard these comments,
|   > almost verbatim:
|   >
|   >1) Web pages don't need images.
|   >2) Web Designers shouldn't need to specify between serif and sans-serif
|   >fonts.
|   [Snip]
|   Looking at your list, it represents issues distinctly separate from the
|   scroll bar one. Basically, scroll bars are a user interface idiom while
| most of what you describe have to do with either the style or the semantics
| of the content itself.
|   As far as I can see, the primary reason to keep scroll bars as they are
| is that they are more a part of the OS user interface or windowing system
| than of web content. Mutating them into something else via user
| stylesheets, while perhaps good from an integration or aesthetic
| standpoint, does cause noticeable degradation in the functionality
| scrolling is meant to support. It affects the learning curve for web

well, what about @media presentation,
when there is no Window Manager present?
(and when you still can have scrollbars for DIV elements, etc.)

I would think about Kiosk and Embedded, while talking about scrollbars 
While market for Kiosk & Embedded apps is still not emerged, there is a  lot 
of developments coming in this area.
BTW: in general, I agree with your arguments in @media Screen mode.
But still, in my opinion, it's much better when *market* (and neither 
*developers* nor *users* on their own) determine wether to make scrollbars 
stylable or not.

| browsing, something
|   non-Web-professionals and corporate training people are likely to have
|   something to say about.


Vadim Plessky
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