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AAARGHHH! That really makes me upset!!!! RE: Standards Compliance and msn

From: Christian Wolfgang Hujer <Christian.Hujer@itcqis.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:41:55 +0200
To: "Dylan Schiemann" <dylans@yahoo.com>, <www-style@w3.org>, <lamers@microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <000001c15e1b$986701e0$9e8f9b3e@andromeda>
Hi.

>>Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be shown to people
using "browsers that we know don't support (W3C) standards or that we can't
insure will get a great experience for the customer." <<

That's making me upset!
IE5.5 still interprets the box model in a wrong way.
IE5.5 does not support the <abbr/>, <acronym/> and <q/> elements.
There are thousands of more flaws.
So it is MS who are not compliant with W3C, not the others.

Okay, I admit currently no browser is perfect. But Mozilla.org's and Opera's
implementations are much much closer to the W3C Recommendations.

And Opera clearly state what they do not support (parts of the Tables Module
like <thead/>, <tbody/>, <tfoot/>, <col/> and <colgroup/> etc.), so it is
easy for web designers to create sites that follow the standard but work
with Opera.

I often searched MSDN and several other resources from Microsoft to find a
list of features IE is missing. I could not find such a list. But there are
several lacks in the implementation, as stated above.

What MS cite was true 3 years ago, when IE4 was beating all other windows
browsers regarding standards-compatibility and stability. But that headstart
is gone now. Opera and Mozilla are far closer to the W3C standards than IE.

Just my two cents

Christian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Dylan Schiemann
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:03 AM
> To: www-style@w3.org
> Subject: Standards Compliance and msn
>
>
> Things like this:
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7660935.html are
> why Tantek and Chris often get such disrespect on this
> list.
>
> "But, Visse warned, "the experience may be slightly
> degraded simply because they don't support the
> standards we support closely, as far as the HTML
> standard in those browsers."
>
> Currently, using the most recent browser from
> Mozilla.org to reach MSN.com brings a message from
> Microsoft saying it has "detected that the browser
> that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly."
> Mozilla.org does open-source browser development for
> AOL Time Warner's Netscape Communications unit.
>
> Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be
> shown to people using "browsers that we know don't
> support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will
> get a great experience for the customer." W3C refers
> to the World Wide Web Consortium, which is developing
> industry standards for Web technologies.
> "
>
> Here's a screenshot of the message:
> http://www.dylanschiemann.com/images/msnRejectsMozilla.png
> I'm really curious which standards mozilla and opera
> supposedly don't support when msn doesn't even
> validate correctly and is therefore not "standards
> compliant":
> http://www.dylanschiemann.com/examples/msnValidation.html
> I know, this is probably off-topic, but it seemed
> relevant in light of all the recent discussion about
> building a fully css compliant browser.
>
> -Dylan Schiemann
> http://www.sitepen.com/
> http://www.dylanschiemann.com/
>
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